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I'm a bit nervous this one isn't going to be open-weights. Any mention of "open" has been struck from the literature for this model (it was present an hour ago)

by wolttam 3mo ago

I'm a bit nervous this one isn't going to be open-weights. Any mention of "open" has been struck from the literature for this model (it was present an hour ago). We don't even know active params? At this pricing, I'll be surprised if it's open.

nullbio 3mo ago
This does seem like a cash grab. These token rates are crazy. I'll just use GPT 5.6 thanks.
icedrift 3mo ago
Reuters has been reporting that Chinese government is undergoing similar investigation to the US; blocking the export of domestic frontier models. They boil down to "anonymous sources" but it does seem inevitable as the tech gets stronger and stronger.
- WarmWash 3mo ago
  It came (at least in part) from a document in May where the CCP pretty much said that they will need to review models to make sure they don't threaten national security. Which basically translates too "Don't give away tools that can be used to undermine your own goals".
  - ValentineC 3mo ago
    So much for the speculation that China was encouraging the release of free/cheap models to mess with the US AI economy.
  - FooBarWidget 3mo ago
    Lots of fake news out there, but you don't need to speculate any longer. Key takeaways from President Xi's speech in his first ever appearance at the World AI Conference in Shanghai: - Started the speech by referring to his signature maxim, "great changes unseen in a century are unfolding across the world" - Said that the world has "entered an unprecedented period of active innovation on AI technology", which means "great opportunities as well as challenges for governance” - reaffirmed commitment to open source to promote AI "openness and win-win" - warns against "over stretching" the concept of national security as applied to AI where one country's national security is prioritised over others - China opposes emergence of “new historical injustices” in AI (one of the most strongly worded parts of the speech) - China in next 5 years will provide 5000 opportunities to developing countries in "AI training and seminar programmes" and "cooperation centres" - names ASEAN, League of Arab States, African Union, CELAC, SCO and BRICS Live blog: https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3360858/chinas-xi-jinping-addresses-world-ai-conference-us-tech-rivalry-heats https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3360858/chinas-xi-j... Complete translation: https://x.com/i/status/2077984062933762450 https://x.com/i/status/2077984062933762450
- throwa356262 3mo ago
  I am afraid this is may happen soon. Now that they have compute capacity to train larger models, there is a non-zero chance they will be in the lead by next year. In which case they will probably stop sharing to protect their position.
- sivakon 3mo ago
  > The recent meetings (past month) with Alibaba, ByteDance, Z.ai, etc., were primarily about overseas acquisitions, foreign investment, and tech/talent outflow controls and not blocking foreigners from using Chinese AI models. That is just misleading reporting. Very convenient for US frontier labs. This is actually what happened.
behnamoh 3mo ago
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- ebri 3mo ago
  Are you like 90? Sound like my Granddad. He’s not saying anyone owes him anything. Stop being a boomer without a cause.
  - behnamoh 3mo ago
    literally no one owes you anything, has nothing to do with age. You want open weight models? Go build one, but don't expect companies to do it for you because you're special.
    - wolttam 3mo ago
      I know that nobody owes me anything, but I still cheer when people decide to share rather than own.
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z4y5f3 3mo ago
They will release the full weights by 7/27 along with support in vLLM. Source: their release blog on WeChat. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/V4xhEIy8xDXSMDPrPkmUAQ https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/V4xhEIy8xDXSMDPrPkmUAQ
- sigmar 3mo ago
  >We are currently working closely with our inference partners and open-source maintainers to align the technical details and ensure the model can be reliably deployed across the ecosystem. The full model weights will be released by July 27, 2026. Further details regarding the architecture, training, and evaluation will be released with the Kimi K3 technical report. (translated by chrome) 11 days is a long time. It does not take that long to implement inference at providers. In my opinion, seems like they're being pre-emptively cautious about government intervention/review
  - nxtfari 3mo ago
    Eh, Minimax M2.7 also took a similar amount of time (actually longer) between availability and weights release.
  - dannyw 3mo ago
    Actually it does for a massive model, serving it correctly is not easy. I believe Kimi also does some sort of Q&A and eval for day 0 partners, since early on a long of inference providers just weren’t running their models properly.
- wolttam 3mo ago
  I'm so glad to be wrong!
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smcleod 3mo ago
It's 2.8T, I'm sure they will open the weights but it will only be able to be run on very high end machines.

by wolttam 3mo ago

nullbio 3mo ago

This does seem like a cash grab. These token rates are crazy. I'll just use GPT 5.6 thanks.

icedrift 3mo ago

Reuters has been reporting that Chinese government is undergoing similar investigation to the US; blocking the export of domestic frontier models. They boil down to "anonymous sources" but it does seem inevitable as the tech gets stronger and stronger.

WarmWash 3mo ago
It came (at least in part) from a document in May where the CCP pretty much said that they will need to review models to make sure they don't threaten national security. Which basically translates too "Don't give away tools that can be used to undermine your own goals".
- ValentineC 3mo ago
  So much for the speculation that China was encouraging the release of free/cheap models to mess with the US AI economy.
- FooBarWidget 3mo ago
  Lots of fake news out there, but you don't need to speculate any longer. Key takeaways from President Xi's speech in his first ever appearance at the World AI Conference in Shanghai: - Started the speech by referring to his signature maxim, "great changes unseen in a century are unfolding across the world" - Said that the world has "entered an unprecedented period of active innovation on AI technology", which means "great opportunities as well as challenges for governance” - reaffirmed commitment to open source to promote AI "openness and win-win" - warns against "over stretching" the concept of national security as applied to AI where one country's national security is prioritised over others - China opposes emergence of “new historical injustices” in AI (one of the most strongly worded parts of the speech) - China in next 5 years will provide 5000 opportunities to developing countries in "AI training and seminar programmes" and "cooperation centres" - names ASEAN, League of Arab States, African Union, CELAC, SCO and BRICS Live blog: https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3360858/chinas-xi-jinping-addresses-world-ai-conference-us-tech-rivalry-heats https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3360858/chinas-xi-j... Complete translation: https://x.com/i/status/2077984062933762450 https://x.com/i/status/2077984062933762450
throwa356262 3mo ago
I am afraid this is may happen soon. Now that they have compute capacity to train larger models, there is a non-zero chance they will be in the lead by next year. In which case they will probably stop sharing to protect their position.
sivakon 3mo ago
> The recent meetings (past month) with Alibaba, ByteDance, Z.ai, etc., were primarily about overseas acquisitions, foreign investment, and tech/talent outflow controls and not blocking foreigners from using Chinese AI models. That is just misleading reporting. Very convenient for US frontier labs. This is actually what happened.

behnamoh 3mo ago

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ebri 3mo ago
Are you like 90? Sound like my Granddad. He’s not saying anyone owes him anything. Stop being a boomer without a cause.
- behnamoh 3mo ago
  literally no one owes you anything, has nothing to do with age. You want open weight models? Go build one, but don't expect companies to do it for you because you're special.
  - wolttam 3mo ago
    I know that nobody owes me anything, but I still cheer when people decide to share rather than own.

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z4y5f3 3mo ago

They will release the full weights by 7/27 along with support in vLLM. Source: their release blog on WeChat. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/V4xhEIy8xDXSMDPrPkmUAQ https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/V4xhEIy8xDXSMDPrPkmUAQ

sigmar 3mo ago
>We are currently working closely with our inference partners and open-source maintainers to align the technical details and ensure the model can be reliably deployed across the ecosystem. The full model weights will be released by July 27, 2026. Further details regarding the architecture, training, and evaluation will be released with the Kimi K3 technical report. (translated by chrome) 11 days is a long time. It does not take that long to implement inference at providers. In my opinion, seems like they're being pre-emptively cautious about government intervention/review
- nxtfari 3mo ago
  Eh, Minimax M2.7 also took a similar amount of time (actually longer) between availability and weights release.
- dannyw 3mo ago
  Actually it does for a massive model, serving it correctly is not easy. I believe Kimi also does some sort of Q&A and eval for day 0 partners, since early on a long of inference providers just weren’t running their models properly.
wolttam 3mo ago
I'm so glad to be wrong!

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smcleod 3mo ago

It's 2.8T, I'm sure they will open the weights but it will only be able to be run on very high end machines.