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It was also common to have a collection of CDs you owned and wanted to put on a device like this.
by erikschoster 3mo ago
It was also common to have a collection of CDs you owned and wanted to put on a device like this.
- lopis 3mo agoExactly. I mean sure, people were definitely pirating music. But lots of people are own huge collections of CDs, and you could also just borrow other people's CDs to rip them. We were kids without money, but older folks at the time did spend money on CDs.
- account42 3mo ago> and you could also just borrow other people's CDs to rip them Which is "piracy" - not that that makes it ethically wrong. It's actually the main kind of copying that is targeted by DRM since users of the LimeWire kind never see that.
- ryandrake 3mo agoWhich is why we should never use the word "piracy." Don't let the industry dictate language (for their own benefit). Equating sharing music with a friend to robbery and murder on the high seas is a wildly out of touch exaggeration. If we let booksellers dictate language in the same way, they'd call libraries and book clubs organized crime.
- account42 3mo agoAgreed, I didn't put the word in quotes on accident. I'm just quite happy to point out that copyright infringement is something that every day people do without thinking and not restricted to the realm of hardened cyber criminals aka. nerds with an internet connection.
- mghackerlady 3mo agoI still borrow CDs to rip, lol. Half my digital music library comes from my library having a way better library of music than books (at least for my taste)
- pjc50 3mo agoWe forget that the labels also consider that piracy. For a while there were attempts to make CDs un-rippable. Streaming (which pays labels and artists much less) only exists because it's the compromise that solves the "service problem" side of piracy.
- xaitv 3mo ago> We forget that the labels also consider that piracy. For a while there were attempts to make CDs un-rippable. One of these attempts that I assume most people are familiar with but is an interesting read for those that aren't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
- MilkLizard 3mo agoAnd of course Sony was involved
- fridder 3mo agoSony has so often footgunned itself it is comical. Occasionally great engineering hobbled by terrible business choices
- qingcharles 3mo agoThe irony was that Sony wanted all those CDs on streaming, so they sent them to me to rip because they didn't have any other proper digital copy for ingestion at the time. (It wasn't just the rootkit ones, either, they tried a bunch of other really ugly methods across their catalogue to stop the CDs being useable in a CD-ROM drive)
- carlosjobim 3mo agoApple and Steve Jobs were always taking about ripping your CDs to have your music on the iPod in their presentations to the public.
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- port11 3mo agoYeah, GP is rose-tinting piracy and Apple’s stance a bit… When I was a teenager we had _dial-up_. My first 2 iPods were strictly playing ripped CDs, which I, friends, or family had bought. Buying the iPod itself was probably cheaper than 2 months worth of internet traffic back then.
- b40d-48b2-979e 3mo agoGP probably wasn't alive back then in all likelihood.
- AntronX 3mo agoIt took about 30 minutes to get 3.5 MB mp3 song over dial up. I would let downloads run overnight and could get a dozen songs by next day. I would do my bulk mp3 downloading in the morning before class at schools library to immediately transfer over USB to my 4 GB Archos Jukebox hard drive mp3 player. That was around 2001 - 2003 either before schools blocked p2p or I must have been using public file downloading sites.
- marysol5 3mo ago"I did not have sexual relations with that women" FUCK SAKE
- AntronX 3mo agoYou OK?
- port11 3mo agoHmm, with unmetered traffic? I played DarkGalaxy one month at home and we got a ~95€ bill, my dad wasn’t amused. Literally just DG’s website once a day.
- AntronX 3mo agoI don't remember worrying about data usage. I got into wardriving and was torrenting from neighbors unsecured linksys ssids. Will never forget that warm feeling of hearing netstumbler pings picking up new APs.
- tclancy 3mo agoI mean, sure, but at some point with 3 or 4 thousand cds crated up, it became a lot easier to steal than go crate digging in my own basement. And then when what.cd happened and you could literally grab a torrent of perfectly curated files of an artist’s whole catalog, the laziness really spiked.
- pluralmonad 3mo agoBrother, arranging 0s and 1s a particular way on storage you own is not theft in any context.
- ux266478 3mo agoUnfortunately, that kind of hyper-atomism isn't really an effective argument if you don't already agree with the premise being presented. To make matters worse, the law is a collection of postulates. It can give itself the predetermination of any high-level conclusion it wants, and no amount of reasoning or appeal to lower principles will ever matter. In otherwords, it's theft if the law says it is. Simple as that.
- pluralmonad 3mo agoOnly if you operate under the misguided assumption that the law cannot be wrong. I care less for legalese than morals. Its plainly not theft, regardless of the hand wringing of bureaucrats and gatekeepers.
- ux266478 3mo agoWhat? The context of the conversation was about piracy which is a distinct legal fiction, it's inherently grounded in the law's opinion, so yes necessarily the law cannot be wrong in this context, that's incoherent. An idiosyncratic disagreement with the law isn't saying anything relevant to the discussion.
- pluralmonad 3mo ago