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Consciousness/experience.

by AffableSpatula 14y ago

derleth 14y ago
> Consciousness/experience. These are both scientific.
- zdw 14y ago
  Ah, so you can scientifically replicate an arbitrary unique experience? I'd like a slice of roast dodo bird please.
  - derleth 14y ago
    > Ah, so you can scientifically replicate an arbitrary unique experience? Not yet. Can you explain morality in terms of your favored philosophical framework? > I'd like a slice of roast dodo bird please. A fine example of what people do when they don't reason things through. How does this discredit science?
    - zdw 14y ago
      "Not yet" - really? Reversed entropy or invented time travel lately? It sounds like you're assigning omniscient characteristics to science.
thirdtruck 14y ago
How, specifically? Given the incredible variance in available descriptions of "the conscious experience", I would posit that "consciousness" itself exists only as a mental grouping and nothing distinct. As an exercise: explain what exactly constitutes a "car", including the point where such an item officially "stops being a car" during the process of disassembly. Show your work.
- MrScruff 14y ago
  I don't think they are referring to the phenomenon of consciousness, rather than the experience of consciousness itself.
  - thirdtruck 14y ago
    Where does that demarcation line fall? Is there anything to consciousness besides the experiential phenomenon? To illustrate: there is no such thing as the movie "It's a Wonderful Life", just a series of individual frames that our eyes and brains perceive as a whole unit only because of perceptual and cognitive limitations (basically, compression). We know far less of anything beyond the present moment - speaking of individual experience - than most believe. I posit that "consciousness" exists as nothing more than a cognitive compression artifact.
    - MrScruff 14y ago
      Do you regard the subjective experience of being concious as a something that can be adequately described by detailing neurological processes? As in, I know you might argue that a specific combination of atoms will correspond to a specific mental state. That doesn't really tell you anything about the subjective experience of being in that mental state though.

Consciousness/experience.

derleth 14y ago

> Consciousness/experience. These are both scientific.

zdw 14y ago
Ah, so you can scientifically replicate an arbitrary unique experience? I'd like a slice of roast dodo bird please.
- derleth 14y ago
  > Ah, so you can scientifically replicate an arbitrary unique experience? Not yet. Can you explain morality in terms of your favored philosophical framework? > I'd like a slice of roast dodo bird please. A fine example of what people do when they don't reason things through. How does this discredit science?
  - zdw 14y ago
    "Not yet" - really? Reversed entropy or invented time travel lately? It sounds like you're assigning omniscient characteristics to science.

thirdtruck 14y ago

How, specifically? Given the incredible variance in available descriptions of "the conscious experience", I would posit that "consciousness" itself exists only as a mental grouping and nothing distinct. As an exercise: explain what exactly constitutes a "car", including the point where such an item officially "stops being a car" during the process of disassembly. Show your work.

MrScruff 14y ago
I don't think they are referring to the phenomenon of consciousness, rather than the experience of consciousness itself.
- thirdtruck 14y ago
  Where does that demarcation line fall? Is there anything to consciousness besides the experiential phenomenon? To illustrate: there is no such thing as the movie "It's a Wonderful Life", just a series of individual frames that our eyes and brains perceive as a whole unit only because of perceptual and cognitive limitations (basically, compression). We know far less of anything beyond the present moment - speaking of individual experience - than most believe. I posit that "consciousness" exists as nothing more than a cognitive compression artifact.
  - MrScruff 14y ago
    Do you regard the subjective experience of being concious as a something that can be adequately described by detailing neurological processes? As in, I know you might argue that a specific combination of atoms will correspond to a specific mental state. That doesn't really tell you anything about the subjective experience of being in that mental state though.