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I think practically every government will want to put restrictions on private companies building models. Frankly the EU and the US will practically be less inv

I think practically every government will want to put restrictions on private companies building models. Frankly the EU and the US will practically be less involved and have more pushback from the public in this than China. I think that’s less “China bad” than recognizing that China is a more authoritarian state and has far more proclivity to interfere than western states. Maybe I’m wrong? What does deep seek say about Tiananmen square in 1989?

altmanaltman 3mo ago
https://chat.deepseek.com/share/uf8jih4q95lbq3s8t2 https://chat.deepseek.com/share/uf8jih4q95lbq3s8t2 This is what Deepseek replied when I asked it with a burner account. Claims it doesn't have it in its training data... sure.
- hattmall 3mo ago
  Be interesting to see if it's possible to jailbreak and have it talk about it.
  - altmanaltman 3mo ago
    I am sure it can be but like it does prove the point of state interference in what the LLM is allowed to say/do in this case.
alightsoul 3mo ago
Ask an American model about the Epstein files and trump's involvement of them. Or about Israel committing genocide in Palestine. Every model will have their own bias. Freedom is relative and American freedom is not the only form of freedom. China bad or China authoritarian and thus not free is a result of the red scare
- Certhas 3mo ago
  Here is what Sonnet says on genocide: "Surveys of genocide scholars (e.g., one by the journal Journal of Genocide Research contributors) show meaningful disagreement, though a visible and growing share of specialists in genocide studies specifically have concluded the term applies or is defensible — more so than international law scholars generally, who tend to be more cautious about the intent requirement." You can be of the opinion that this shows bias, but it's a far cry from the Chinese censorship. Clichés like "freedom is relative" are not serious arguments. You can't genuinely argue that the US, for all its problems, is less free than China. Words have meaning. E.g. looking at freedom house index you can disagree on the precise score or how different aspects are weighed, but you can't argue with the underlying facts in the country reports https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores
  - alightsoul 3mo ago
    You asked about genocide in general. Not Israeli genocide. Are you astroturfing? No one can make an omission that obvious You can't genuinely argue that the US, for all its problems, is less free than China This is how Americans convince themselves they are at the top of the world when they are not. No one outside of Europe and the US cares about the US anymore. They buy Chinese products and do business with Chinese businesses instead, right now. Worldwide, China is seen more positively than the US specially in global south countries. The exceptions of course are Europe and The US, the cold war first world countries of course. freedom house index This is obvious American bias. Astroturfing.
    - Certhas 3mo ago
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altmanaltman 3mo ago

https://chat.deepseek.com/share/uf8jih4q95lbq3s8t2 https://chat.deepseek.com/share/uf8jih4q95lbq3s8t2 This is what Deepseek replied when I asked it with a burner account. Claims it doesn't have it in its training data... sure.

hattmall 3mo ago
Be interesting to see if it's possible to jailbreak and have it talk about it.
- altmanaltman 3mo ago
  I am sure it can be but like it does prove the point of state interference in what the LLM is allowed to say/do in this case.

alightsoul 3mo ago

Ask an American model about the Epstein files and trump's involvement of them. Or about Israel committing genocide in Palestine. Every model will have their own bias. Freedom is relative and American freedom is not the only form of freedom. China bad or China authoritarian and thus not free is a result of the red scare

Certhas 3mo ago
Here is what Sonnet says on genocide: "Surveys of genocide scholars (e.g., one by the journal Journal of Genocide Research contributors) show meaningful disagreement, though a visible and growing share of specialists in genocide studies specifically have concluded the term applies or is defensible — more so than international law scholars generally, who tend to be more cautious about the intent requirement." You can be of the opinion that this shows bias, but it's a far cry from the Chinese censorship. Clichés like "freedom is relative" are not serious arguments. You can't genuinely argue that the US, for all its problems, is less free than China. Words have meaning. E.g. looking at freedom house index you can disagree on the precise score or how different aspects are weighed, but you can't argue with the underlying facts in the country reports https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores
- alightsoul 3mo ago
  You asked about genocide in general. Not Israeli genocide. Are you astroturfing? No one can make an omission that obvious You can't genuinely argue that the US, for all its problems, is less free than China This is how Americans convince themselves they are at the top of the world when they are not. No one outside of Europe and the US cares about the US anymore. They buy Chinese products and do business with Chinese businesses instead, right now. Worldwide, China is seen more positively than the US specially in global south countries. The exceptions of course are Europe and The US, the cold war first world countries of course. freedom house index This is obvious American bias. Astroturfing.
  - Certhas 3mo ago
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