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It's Apache 2.0. You can have your agents audit it if you want. What does this release have to do with "trusting" XAI?

by avaer 3mo ago

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moscoe 3mo ago
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- ok_dad 3mo ago
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  - alex1138 3mo ago
    > the cave thing Yeah, this does matter to me. I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form) but if he's that petty it doesn't bode well. I keep saying I can believe one thing without subscribing to the Elon fan club Doesn't bode well for SpaceX either. Isn't one of the Artemis landers from SpaceX?!
    - rightbyte 3mo ago
      The "pedo" diver thing and the booster PoE thing. It is funny how it is the mundane things that it boil down to when one judge a someone's character. When it gets abstract it is too easy to rationalize.
    - lovich 3mo ago
      > I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form)… Why give him the benefit of the doubt when he censors worse than the previous management? Just look at all the grok lobotomies he gave it because he didn’t like how liberal coded the answers it was giving.
      - alex1138 3mo ago
        I was just trying to say old Twitter had a serious problem but apparently that goes against the hivemind so I accrue mass downvotes despite posting my comment in good faith
        cindyllm 3mo ago
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        lovich 3mo ago
        No man, I’d you had just said > I was willing to give him a pass… That could be logically consistent given how he is more censorious than the previous management, but you said > I was willing to give him a pass (still am)… That means you are giving him a pass on having more censorious behavior than what the group you disliked did. That just comes off like you’re biased and trying to hide it. I don’t think you’re getting downvotes despite commenting in good faith, but because you aren’t commenting in good faith, and I say this as someone who hasn’t downvoted you.
        alex1138 3mo ago
        I don't think you're allowed to define what good faith is if you can't read my mind And I don't even know what they censor now, it's just that the old system was more publically known Please don't be intentionally irritating
        cindyllm 3mo ago
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        lovich 3mo ago
        It was more publicly known because Musk made a big deal about the “Twitter files” which were a big nothing burger hyped up by musk and a bunch of journalists like Matt Taibi who were being led around by their nose by Musk. I remember watching an interview with two of the journalists in question and they were adamant that they had seen everything because they sat down with Musk and one of his engineers and the engineer made custom sql queries for whatever they asked and then gave them the results of the query. They would not accept that the engineer could have modified the query or the database could have been modified before they even started the interview. They just accepted Musks narrative completely. I’ll grant that you may be on good faith but if you have a strong enough opinion on the level of censorship under the previous regime to give Musks behavior a pass, but don’t know anything about his current massive amounts of censoring and narrative shaping, then you are speaking confidently from a point of ignorance and that will garner as many downvotes as being in bad faith.
  - brookst 3mo ago
    You forgot DOGE, an illegal program that stole taxpayer information, cost billions of dollars, and will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousand of people.
  - repeekad 3mo ago
    Tesla has killed people, probably with autopilot but at least 15 deaths from people trying to escape vehicles but the electronic (non mechanical) door handles don’t work when there’s no power… Tesla Doors That Won't Open Have Led to 15 Crash-Related Deaths https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69838848/tesla-doors-dont-open-report-of-deaths/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69838848/tesla-doors-dont...
croes 3mo ago
First, why audit it when the agent can build a new one. Second, can you guarantee that an AI company can’t use its AI to hide malicious code from AI audits. Who if not an AI company could have such an expertise? I don’t trust a company that pollutes the air of other people with illegal gas turbines because it shows the value their profit over people‘s health
- Petersipoi 3mo ago
  Nothing you said here can't be applied to literally any company on earth. And nothing you said here is even a new concern.
  - croes 3mo ago
    I doubt that every company could hide malicious code so well that AI can’t find it. And who said it need to be new concerns? Are the old ones resolved and are they not enough?
  - customguy 3mo ago
    Why would it need to be "new"? What does that even mean? It's relevant, it applies here, that's more than enough. And it would be brought up with any company if they dropped 1.3 LOC directly after nothing but a "promise" to delete data they took.
- avaer 3mo ago
  > Second, can you guarantee that an AI company can’t use its AI to hide malicious code from AI audits. Who if not an AI company could have such an expertise? Any evidence for this conspiracy theory? It's not on anyone to disprove this claim. > it shows the value their profit over people‘s health Companies are chartered to make their shareholders value. To a first approximation, it's illegal for a company to "fuckit, we care about people's health" unless this is what the shareholders voted for (as opposed to making their shares valuable). You can argue this is bad, but it isn't about XAI, it applies to every company you've heard of.
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larpingscholar 3mo ago
curl -fsSL https://x.ai/cli/install.sh | bash this is unauditable trust in XAI.
- mgambati 3mo ago
  Just build it
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- avaer 3mo ago
  It's auditable, just redirect, don't pipe. Or fix your bash to not allow this. It has nothing to do with XAI, other than maybe not enforcing good practice (which most devs don't follow anyway).
  - sroussey 3mo ago
    Or they are sending different code to different people from the same url…
- spott 3mo ago
  huh? ``` curl -fsSL https://x.ai/cli/install.sh https://x.ai/cli/install.sh | \ llm -s "Review this shell script and tell me what it does" ``` That isn't unauditable trust...

It's Apache 2.0. You can have your agents audit it if you want. What does this release have to do with "trusting" XAI?

by avaer 3mo ago

It's Apache 2.0. You can have your agents audit it if you want. What does this release have to do with "trusting" XAI?

deleted 3mo ago

[deleted]

moscoe 3mo ago

[flagged]

ok_dad 3mo ago
[flagged]
- alex1138 3mo ago
  > the cave thing Yeah, this does matter to me. I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form) but if he's that petty it doesn't bode well. I keep saying I can believe one thing without subscribing to the Elon fan club Doesn't bode well for SpaceX either. Isn't one of the Artemis landers from SpaceX?!
  - rightbyte 3mo ago
    The "pedo" diver thing and the booster PoE thing. It is funny how it is the mundane things that it boil down to when one judge a someone's character. When it gets abstract it is too easy to rationalize.
  - lovich 3mo ago
    > I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form)… Why give him the benefit of the doubt when he censors worse than the previous management? Just look at all the grok lobotomies he gave it because he didn’t like how liberal coded the answers it was giving.
    - alex1138 3mo ago
      I was just trying to say old Twitter had a serious problem but apparently that goes against the hivemind so I accrue mass downvotes despite posting my comment in good faith
      - cindyllm 3mo ago
        [dead]
      - lovich 3mo ago
        No man, I’d you had just said > I was willing to give him a pass… That could be logically consistent given how he is more censorious than the previous management, but you said > I was willing to give him a pass (still am)… That means you are giving him a pass on having more censorious behavior than what the group you disliked did. That just comes off like you’re biased and trying to hide it. I don’t think you’re getting downvotes despite commenting in good faith, but because you aren’t commenting in good faith, and I say this as someone who hasn’t downvoted you.
        alex1138 3mo ago
        I don't think you're allowed to define what good faith is if you can't read my mind And I don't even know what they censor now, it's just that the old system was more publically known Please don't be intentionally irritating
        cindyllm 3mo ago
        [dead]
        lovich 3mo ago
        It was more publicly known because Musk made a big deal about the “Twitter files” which were a big nothing burger hyped up by musk and a bunch of journalists like Matt Taibi who were being led around by their nose by Musk. I remember watching an interview with two of the journalists in question and they were adamant that they had seen everything because they sat down with Musk and one of his engineers and the engineer made custom sql queries for whatever they asked and then gave them the results of the query. They would not accept that the engineer could have modified the query or the database could have been modified before they even started the interview. They just accepted Musks narrative completely. I’ll grant that you may be on good faith but if you have a strong enough opinion on the level of censorship under the previous regime to give Musks behavior a pass, but don’t know anything about his current massive amounts of censoring and narrative shaping, then you are speaking confidently from a point of ignorance and that will garner as many downvotes as being in bad faith.
- brookst 3mo ago
  You forgot DOGE, an illegal program that stole taxpayer information, cost billions of dollars, and will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousand of people.
- repeekad 3mo ago
  Tesla has killed people, probably with autopilot but at least 15 deaths from people trying to escape vehicles but the electronic (non mechanical) door handles don’t work when there’s no power… Tesla Doors That Won't Open Have Led to 15 Crash-Related Deaths https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69838848/tesla-doors-dont-open-report-of-deaths/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69838848/tesla-doors-dont...

croes 3mo ago

First, why audit it when the agent can build a new one. Second, can you guarantee that an AI company can’t use its AI to hide malicious code from AI audits. Who if not an AI company could have such an expertise? I don’t trust a company that pollutes the air of other people with illegal gas turbines because it shows the value their profit over people‘s health

Petersipoi 3mo ago
Nothing you said here can't be applied to literally any company on earth. And nothing you said here is even a new concern.
- croes 3mo ago
  I doubt that every company could hide malicious code so well that AI can’t find it. And who said it need to be new concerns? Are the old ones resolved and are they not enough?
- customguy 3mo ago
  Why would it need to be "new"? What does that even mean? It's relevant, it applies here, that's more than enough. And it would be brought up with any company if they dropped 1.3 LOC directly after nothing but a "promise" to delete data they took.
avaer 3mo ago
> Second, can you guarantee that an AI company can’t use its AI to hide malicious code from AI audits. Who if not an AI company could have such an expertise? Any evidence for this conspiracy theory? It's not on anyone to disprove this claim. > it shows the value their profit over people‘s health Companies are chartered to make their shareholders value. To a first approximation, it's illegal for a company to "fuckit, we care about people's health" unless this is what the shareholders voted for (as opposed to making their shares valuable). You can argue this is bad, but it isn't about XAI, it applies to every company you've heard of.
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larpingscholar 3mo ago

curl -fsSL https://x.ai/cli/install.sh | bash this is unauditable trust in XAI.

mgambati 3mo ago
Just build it
deleted 3mo ago
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deleted 3mo ago
[deleted]
avaer 3mo ago
It's auditable, just redirect, don't pipe. Or fix your bash to not allow this. It has nothing to do with XAI, other than maybe not enforcing good practice (which most devs don't follow anyway).
- sroussey 3mo ago
  Or they are sending different code to different people from the same url…
spott 3mo ago
huh? ``` curl -fsSL https://x.ai/cli/install.sh https://x.ai/cli/install.sh | \ llm -s "Review this shell script and tell me what it does" ``` That isn't unauditable trust...