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I assume you're also in favour of Ceuta and Melilla being given to Morocco over the wishes of the people whos ancestors have lived there for centuries?
by iso1631 3mo ago
I assume you're also in favour of Ceuta and Melilla being given to Morocco over the wishes of the people whos ancestors have lived there for centuries?
- martin8412 3mo agoThe difference of course being that Gibraltar used to be Spanish, while Ceuta and Melilla never have been parts of Morocco. Portugal has more claim to those two enclaves than Morocco ever did.
- amunozo 3mo agoCeuta and Melilla are part of Spain since the fifteenth century, same as Granada and way older than the Moroccan state. I am telling that Gibraltar people should decide which country they want to belong to, same thing with Ceuta and Melilla.
- iso1631 3mo agoTime and time again the Gibraltar people tell Spain they don't want to be part of Spain Time and time again Spain complains Time and time again hypocrites I don't mind if you believe that "land makes right" or if you believe that "people have rights", but be consistent
- amunozo 3mo agoI am saying, for the third time, that the people of Gibraltar are sovereing and have the right to choose. Same with Ceuta and Melilla.
- iso1631 3mo ago"a similar agreement could be done with Gibraltat belonging to Spain, which I would consider fairer" Take your colonial desires and stuff them back in the 18th century where they belong
- amunozo 3mo agoWhat I mean is that it is not that important who Gibraltar belongs to as far as the desire of their population and the surrounding territories are respected. I add the surrounding territories because they are their natural hinterland, independently to who they belong, and therefore there should cooperation for the common good. I could not care less whether it is part of Spain or not, if you are happier with it.
- yoavm 3mo agoFrom my quick search, it doesn't at all seem like the majority of the people living in Ceuta and Melilla wish to be part of Morocco.
- madeofpalk 3mo agoI mean they said pretty clearly that they should respect the wishes of sovereignty for Gibraltar, so presumably they would also extend the same to Ceuta and Melilla. I think in a very abstract sense I agree that exclaves like this are weird and it would be cleaner if they didn't happen (Gibraltar returned to Spain, Ceuta and Melilla returned to Morocco), but that's thinking of this as a systems design problem rather than one that cares about people. I recognise that this is not an empathetic view, and my own opinion is worthless and I hold onto it very weakly.