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Each human is different so we treat them as separate entities. Machines, by design are cookie-cutter copies. If one Waymo did something horribly stupid, then al

Each human is different so we treat them as separate entities. Machines, by design are cookie-cutter copies. If one Waymo did something horribly stupid, then all Waymos would have done that exact same thing in that situation.

no-name-here 3mo ago
Isn't that a point in favor of the automated cars, that we can then fix/prevent that behavior for every single car from that point forward, whereas with humans, we can't and don't patch every human driver whenever a human does something horribly stupid - and a massive number of human drivers do horribly stupid things every single day, right?
- clemailacct1 3mo ago
  Humans learn from mistakes and feel the repercussions. We understand this starting from when we’re infants.
  - no-name-here 3mo ago
    The 1 individual human might learn from their horrible mistake, but not the other x billion humans (nor the many people every minute who drive for the first time). And even the 1 human who made the mistake might forget it after some years, or make the same mistake again as they become elderly, etc.
- Shitty-kitty 2mo ago
  The point is because they are all identical they should not be compared to the "average," a pool of good and bad drivers but rather good drivers alone. Unless you mandate "no more humans on the road" is is not the speed-daemons and lane-cutters that will choose automated cars.
audunf 3mo ago
Exactly. And that’s why automation tech should be better than humans before widespread adoption. My experience from scaling products in very different areas (consumer tech, large public infrastructure, internet): That occasional hiccup during small-scale trials looks very different with hundreds or millions of units.
- xnx 3mo ago
  > automation tech should be better than humans before widespread adoption How much better? From the article: "Waymo’s vehicles have been involved in 94% fewer crashes that cause serious injury or worse than human drivers on the same roads." The longer safe autonomous vehicles are obstructed through legislation, the more people die.
  - audunf 3mo ago
    I think those are Waymo’s numbers. They might be a bit biased? :) https://www.thestreet.com/technology/waymo-exec-admits-harsh-truth-about-companys-safety-record https://www.thestreet.com/technology/waymo-exec-admits-harsh... Maybe autonomous vehicles need to work so well that practically everyone agrees they’re a good idea? Anecdotal, but I’ve owned a couple of cars with assistive/“self-driving” - including Tesla’s. I can’t count the number of times I’ve had to take over.

no-name-here 3mo ago

Isn't that a point in favor of the automated cars, that we can then fix/prevent that behavior for every single car from that point forward, whereas with humans, we can't and don't patch every human driver whenever a human does something horribly stupid - and a massive number of human drivers do horribly stupid things every single day, right?

clemailacct1 3mo ago
Humans learn from mistakes and feel the repercussions. We understand this starting from when we’re infants.
- no-name-here 3mo ago
  The 1 individual human might learn from their horrible mistake, but not the other x billion humans (nor the many people every minute who drive for the first time). And even the 1 human who made the mistake might forget it after some years, or make the same mistake again as they become elderly, etc.
Shitty-kitty 2mo ago
The point is because they are all identical they should not be compared to the "average," a pool of good and bad drivers but rather good drivers alone. Unless you mandate "no more humans on the road" is is not the speed-daemons and lane-cutters that will choose automated cars.

audunf 3mo ago

Exactly. And that’s why automation tech should be better than humans before widespread adoption. My experience from scaling products in very different areas (consumer tech, large public infrastructure, internet): That occasional hiccup during small-scale trials looks very different with hundreds or millions of units.

xnx 3mo ago
> automation tech should be better than humans before widespread adoption How much better? From the article: "Waymo’s vehicles have been involved in 94% fewer crashes that cause serious injury or worse than human drivers on the same roads." The longer safe autonomous vehicles are obstructed through legislation, the more people die.
- audunf 3mo ago
  I think those are Waymo’s numbers. They might be a bit biased? :) https://www.thestreet.com/technology/waymo-exec-admits-harsh-truth-about-companys-safety-record https://www.thestreet.com/technology/waymo-exec-admits-harsh... Maybe autonomous vehicles need to work so well that practically everyone agrees they’re a good idea? Anecdotal, but I’ve owned a couple of cars with assistive/“self-driving” - including Tesla’s. I can’t count the number of times I’ve had to take over.