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It seems to me that you don't like reading (which is fine). Some people enjoy reading words strung together in a certain way. The value comes from the simple re

by slibhb 3mo ago

It seems to me that you don't like reading (which is fine). Some people enjoy reading words strung together in a certain way. The value comes from the simple relationship between the text and the reader, not on some kind of social connection.

dml2135 3mo ago
I love reading, and I was explaining precisely why I love it.
dwaltrip 3mo ago
Ironic, as you didn’t read their comment… > The value comes from the simple relationship between the text and the reader This is not some universal truth, yet you state it as such. People can get different things from a text.
beej71 3mo ago
It seems to be that you don't appreciate the relationship between the author and the reader and the author and the text, which is fine, but is a bit tragic. Not that I doubt that one day people will simply gather around the AI infinite story creation bot. They just won't know what they're missing. :(
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- mapontosevenths 3mo ago
  I once read Ben Franklin's autobiography. I have yet to experience any great blossoming of our relationship. More seriously, the novel is a unidirectional medium of communication. Not a relationship. That said, it is meant to convey a perspective. I don't care if it's a human, a robot, or a little green man's perspective. It just has to be an interesting, useful, or enlightening perspective that I didn't already share. Right now LLM's don't really have unique perspectives, that may change. So I withhold judgement. As of today, I wouldn't read an LLM's novel. In 10 years, who knows?
  - confidantlake 3mo ago
    Ah I always felt like novels were a partnership in a way. He is putting down words and I am using that to create a world in my mind. 2 people reading the same novel are creating 2 different worlds.
    - mapontosevenths 3mo ago
      I've always been fond of calling it telepathy. That's really what it is. Further, it can even let us see into the minds of the long dead. Humanities superpower is that it is the only race which can preserve knowledge beyond a single lifespan. With LLM's we can also now preserve actual thought patterns and skills beyond a single lifespan. I can't wait to see what the future brings.
  - beej71 3mo ago
    > I once read Ben Franklin's autobiography. I have yet to experience any great blossoming of our relationship. I've also read it, and got to know the man that much better. It especially added a great deal of texture to the experience of visiting his home site, his church, and his grave. I'd argue that humans rarely have unique perspectives, being highly influenced by their environment and experience. And have we not seen AI coming up with novel math? I don't think unique perspectives are necessarily the compelling part. I think the words are just a medium for thoughts. AI only produces the former, not the latter. That's my relationship with Ben Franklin. It's not that I read what he wrote; it's that I know what he thought.
    - slibhb 3mo ago
      When you read a book, you hypothesize a writer and have some kind of inner relationship with the hypothetical writer. But it's not a real relationship. It's in the words, not outside them.
      - beej71 3mo ago
        I think the transmission through the medium makes the relationship with the other side. One could certainly have a pen pal relationship where the only communication was via text. The relationship begins with the very first message. Or a relationship with an autobiographer who spills their soul onto the page. But if I look through the text of an AI spilling its soul, there's nothing on the other side.
jagenabler2 3mo ago
Reading is beautiful because of language's inability to fully capture emotion and reality. Every author tries to tell a story in the way they think captures their perspective best. Every author and book you read is a different perspective on the world that shapes your own. Reading writing from an LLM loses all that. It's just words, there is no expression. It's literally the most boring parts of reading.

by slibhb 3mo ago

dml2135 3mo ago

I love reading, and I was explaining precisely why I love it.

dwaltrip 3mo ago

Ironic, as you didn’t read their comment… > The value comes from the simple relationship between the text and the reader This is not some universal truth, yet you state it as such. People can get different things from a text.

beej71 3mo ago

It seems to be that you don't appreciate the relationship between the author and the reader and the author and the text, which is fine, but is a bit tragic. Not that I doubt that one day people will simply gather around the AI infinite story creation bot. They just won't know what they're missing. :(

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mapontosevenths 3mo ago
I once read Ben Franklin's autobiography. I have yet to experience any great blossoming of our relationship. More seriously, the novel is a unidirectional medium of communication. Not a relationship. That said, it is meant to convey a perspective. I don't care if it's a human, a robot, or a little green man's perspective. It just has to be an interesting, useful, or enlightening perspective that I didn't already share. Right now LLM's don't really have unique perspectives, that may change. So I withhold judgement. As of today, I wouldn't read an LLM's novel. In 10 years, who knows?
- confidantlake 3mo ago
  Ah I always felt like novels were a partnership in a way. He is putting down words and I am using that to create a world in my mind. 2 people reading the same novel are creating 2 different worlds.
  - mapontosevenths 3mo ago
    I've always been fond of calling it telepathy. That's really what it is. Further, it can even let us see into the minds of the long dead. Humanities superpower is that it is the only race which can preserve knowledge beyond a single lifespan. With LLM's we can also now preserve actual thought patterns and skills beyond a single lifespan. I can't wait to see what the future brings.
- beej71 3mo ago
  > I once read Ben Franklin's autobiography. I have yet to experience any great blossoming of our relationship. I've also read it, and got to know the man that much better. It especially added a great deal of texture to the experience of visiting his home site, his church, and his grave. I'd argue that humans rarely have unique perspectives, being highly influenced by their environment and experience. And have we not seen AI coming up with novel math? I don't think unique perspectives are necessarily the compelling part. I think the words are just a medium for thoughts. AI only produces the former, not the latter. That's my relationship with Ben Franklin. It's not that I read what he wrote; it's that I know what he thought.
  - slibhb 3mo ago
    When you read a book, you hypothesize a writer and have some kind of inner relationship with the hypothetical writer. But it's not a real relationship. It's in the words, not outside them.
    - beej71 3mo ago
      I think the transmission through the medium makes the relationship with the other side. One could certainly have a pen pal relationship where the only communication was via text. The relationship begins with the very first message. Or a relationship with an autobiographer who spills their soul onto the page. But if I look through the text of an AI spilling its soul, there's nothing on the other side.

jagenabler2 3mo ago

Reading is beautiful because of language's inability to fully capture emotion and reality. Every author tries to tell a story in the way they think captures their perspective best. Every author and book you read is a different perspective on the world that shapes your own. Reading writing from an LLM loses all that. It's just words, there is no expression. It's literally the most boring parts of reading.