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You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. idk why people are so scared of it

You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much

fsflover 3mo ago
> You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Will it be stored and processed by every shop you enter? If not, how is this relevant here? Currently, the personal data exists but is not accessed by anyone unless it is really required. And even then, the scope can be minimized if the user wants. > do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Yes. I use Whonix on Qubes to access HN and other websites. > but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much Speak for yourself.
- toasty228 3mo ago
  > Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Basically yes, your mobile connection is attached to a name, your landline is attached to a name, your adresse too, the card you use to pay online too.
  - fsflover 3mo ago
    Websites do not have access to any of these, do they?
    - toasty228 3mo ago
      Well yeah, and that's why we use a third party app instead of having each website implement their own half assed solutions. That's like the entire point of this thing...
      - fsflover 3mo ago
        In this thread, we are talking about the current state of affairs, not the age verification app.
  - rcbdev 3mo ago
    That is totally incorrect for many parts of Europe. Pre-paid anonymous sim cards were used by the majority of mobile users until very recently.
rcbdev 3mo ago
> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data? Many people in the Western Europe used, until very recently, prepaid anonymous mobile data cards that they recharged monthly with charging vouchers paid for in cash. All this ended in the last 5 - 10 years. The U.S.-American corporate glass citizen slave mentality is actually a little tad bit new here, thus the outrage.
- watwut 3mo ago
  You have it other way round. USA had burner anonymous cards when European countries did not.
  - rcbdev 3mo ago
    Yes. Had. In Europe it was the norm far longer than in the U.S.A.
    - watwut 3mo ago
      Where exactly in Europe? Countries I interacted with did not had anonymous burner phones. You could buy prepaid card, but you had to show your id and give out your name. You had contract like any other (contract for that number). Prepaid card was just a payment thing, not anonymity thing. I know, because I functioned on prepaid cards for anonymity unrelated reasons.
      - rcbdev 3mo ago
        Czechia, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Portugal, Croatia, etc. pp.
roundabout-host 3mo ago
Because now the digital version will require Android or iOS, which are proprietary, locked-down, crippled, American platforms.

fsflover 3mo ago

> You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Will it be stored and processed by every shop you enter? If not, how is this relevant here? Currently, the personal data exists but is not accessed by anyone unless it is really required. And even then, the scope can be minimized if the user wants. > do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Yes. I use Whonix on Qubes to access HN and other websites. > but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much Speak for yourself.

toasty228 3mo ago
> Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Basically yes, your mobile connection is attached to a name, your landline is attached to a name, your adresse too, the card you use to pay online too.
- fsflover 3mo ago
  Websites do not have access to any of these, do they?
  - toasty228 3mo ago
    Well yeah, and that's why we use a third party app instead of having each website implement their own half assed solutions. That's like the entire point of this thing...
    - fsflover 3mo ago
      In this thread, we are talking about the current state of affairs, not the age verification app.
- rcbdev 3mo ago
  That is totally incorrect for many parts of Europe. Pre-paid anonymous sim cards were used by the majority of mobile users until very recently.

rcbdev 3mo ago

> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data? Many people in the Western Europe used, until very recently, prepaid anonymous mobile data cards that they recharged monthly with charging vouchers paid for in cash. All this ended in the last 5 - 10 years. The U.S.-American corporate glass citizen slave mentality is actually a little tad bit new here, thus the outrage.

watwut 3mo ago
You have it other way round. USA had burner anonymous cards when European countries did not.
- rcbdev 3mo ago
  Yes. Had. In Europe it was the norm far longer than in the U.S.A.
  - watwut 3mo ago
    Where exactly in Europe? Countries I interacted with did not had anonymous burner phones. You could buy prepaid card, but you had to show your id and give out your name. You had contract like any other (contract for that number). Prepaid card was just a payment thing, not anonymity thing. I know, because I functioned on prepaid cards for anonymity unrelated reasons.
    - rcbdev 3mo ago
      Czechia, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Portugal, Croatia, etc. pp.

roundabout-host 3mo ago

Because now the digital version will require Android or iOS, which are proprietary, locked-down, crippled, American platforms.