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> It’s not going to build my character or build my growth and meaning to buy the wrong thing from an online store. dealing with the consequences of my mistakes

by NopIdoN 3mo ago

> It’s not going to build my character or build my growth and meaning to buy the wrong thing from an online store. dealing with the consequences of my mistakes sounds like growth to me

Grombobulous 3mo ago
Mistakes without a significant lesson or takeaway aren’t a useful avenue for growth. I think it’s possible that this concept that AI is an easy shortcut is a form of gatekeeping. We had the same reactions to StackOverflow and web search when those technologies came around. And there’s certainly partial truth to it. Maybe reading a full book really does make you more well-rounded than googling your answer, but sometimes blowing a lot of time searching an index in a physical book hoping to find the piece of knowledge you need is just spending time for sake of spending time.
- NopIdoN 3mo ago
  The more attention you give a thing, the more it changes you. Significance is up to you. Maybe you never learn to check your own details. Maybe that's ok.
pixl97 3mo ago
And when a mistake is deadly? Should we remove all safety systems so we can deal with the consequences? The number of mistakes you can make is infinite in comparison to the number of correct choices you can make. Since you don't have infinite lives and time there must be some manner of problem space reduction to ensure you get anything done. Luckily for us humans evolution has spend quadrillions of hours doing just that for us. Modern technology has made it so you don't spend your entire life trying to get something to eat every waking moment of the day. This leads to some problems of your ideology of hardships lead to growth. Which hardships? Which growth? Should you go back to living in a cave like a mammal to get the full experience?
- NopIdoN 3mo ago
  yep
- saulpw 3mo ago
  > evolution has spend quadrillions of hours doing just that Magnitude pedantery incoming: 1 billion years is "only" about 10 trillion hours.
  - pixl97 3mo ago
    Thank goodness it was only one bacteria doing all that evolving! Think of combined manpower. If you have 2 people working an 8 hour shift you've spent 16 hours. /Pedantry crisis averted.
    - saulpw 3mo ago
      Oh good, that does make me rest easier. Though technically the units should be man-hours (or bacterium-hours?). Now this makes me wonder how many life-hours there have been...looks like ^40 'beings' over all time[0], and ^43 being-hours total. Fun math! [0]Crockford et al. (2023) estimate about 10^30 cells exist today, and between 10^39 and 10^40 cells have ever existed on Earth.
  - webnrrd2k 3mo ago
    Yeah, but it would be more-or-less in parallel, spread over however many organisms
- munificent 3mo ago
  This is a good time to point out that slippery slope is a fallacy. Saying, "Experiencing some friction is good for building character" is not equivalent to saying "We should demolish all technology and force babies to survive on their own in the woods." That the extreme position is wrong does not strictly imply that the moderate position is too.
  - pixl97 3mo ago
SamPatt 3mo ago
Yes but what would they learn from their mistake? "I should run my purchase decisions past an AI in the future."
xg15 3mo ago
Yes, but it's dumb to deliberately provoke a mistake that could be avoided, just to "build character"

by NopIdoN 3mo ago

> It’s not going to build my character or build my growth and meaning to buy the wrong thing from an online store. dealing with the consequences of my mistakes sounds like growth to me

Grombobulous 3mo ago

Mistakes without a significant lesson or takeaway aren’t a useful avenue for growth. I think it’s possible that this concept that AI is an easy shortcut is a form of gatekeeping. We had the same reactions to StackOverflow and web search when those technologies came around. And there’s certainly partial truth to it. Maybe reading a full book really does make you more well-rounded than googling your answer, but sometimes blowing a lot of time searching an index in a physical book hoping to find the piece of knowledge you need is just spending time for sake of spending time.

NopIdoN 3mo ago
The more attention you give a thing, the more it changes you. Significance is up to you. Maybe you never learn to check your own details. Maybe that's ok.

pixl97 3mo ago

And when a mistake is deadly? Should we remove all safety systems so we can deal with the consequences? The number of mistakes you can make is infinite in comparison to the number of correct choices you can make. Since you don't have infinite lives and time there must be some manner of problem space reduction to ensure you get anything done. Luckily for us humans evolution has spend quadrillions of hours doing just that for us. Modern technology has made it so you don't spend your entire life trying to get something to eat every waking moment of the day. This leads to some problems of your ideology of hardships lead to growth. Which hardships? Which growth? Should you go back to living in a cave like a mammal to get the full experience?

NopIdoN 3mo ago
yep
saulpw 3mo ago
> evolution has spend quadrillions of hours doing just that Magnitude pedantery incoming: 1 billion years is "only" about 10 trillion hours.
- pixl97 3mo ago
  Thank goodness it was only one bacteria doing all that evolving! Think of combined manpower. If you have 2 people working an 8 hour shift you've spent 16 hours. /Pedantry crisis averted.
  - saulpw 3mo ago
    Oh good, that does make me rest easier. Though technically the units should be man-hours (or bacterium-hours?). Now this makes me wonder how many life-hours there have been...looks like ^40 'beings' over all time[0], and ^43 being-hours total. Fun math! [0]Crockford et al. (2023) estimate about 10^30 cells exist today, and between 10^39 and 10^40 cells have ever existed on Earth.
- webnrrd2k 3mo ago
  Yeah, but it would be more-or-less in parallel, spread over however many organisms
munificent 3mo ago
This is a good time to point out that slippery slope is a fallacy. Saying, "Experiencing some friction is good for building character" is not equivalent to saying "We should demolish all technology and force babies to survive on their own in the woods." That the extreme position is wrong does not strictly imply that the moderate position is too.
- pixl97 3mo ago

SamPatt 3mo ago

Yes but what would they learn from their mistake? "I should run my purchase decisions past an AI in the future."

xg15 3mo ago

Yes, but it's dumb to deliberately provoke a mistake that could be avoided, just to "build character"