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I was wondering why my local tool to inspect coding agent sessions stopped working in some cases. This is a really interesting engineering decision, I wonder h
by jeanlucas 3mo ago
I was wondering why my local tool to inspect coding agent sessions stopped working in some cases.
This is a really interesting engineering decision, I wonder how many people will want an encrypted external piece of instructions running on their machine.
- fidotron 3mo ago[flagged]
- b40d-48b2-979e 3mo agotraining people to believe that them having impossible to inspect encrypted channels from your machines to theirs is a best practice Oh yeah, I much preferred when my government and whoever controls the infrastructure could snoop on my traffic instead!
- LeBit 3mo agoHow did they do that?
- b40d-48b2-979e 3mo agoDoes the word "plaintext" mean anything to you?
- cobertos 3mo agoPacket capture and analysis. It's not that complicated
- airstrike 3mo agoidk about you but I'd rather not be murdered regardless of who the perpetrator might be
- b40d-48b2-979e 3mo agoThat is not the argument being made and this interpretation feels entirely in bad faith akin to the other sibling comments.
- bobthebob 3mo agoMaybe to you, it resonates with me.
- fidotron 3mo agoFalse dichotomies, such as your original reply, hardly count as good faith. And now that original has even been flagged . . . this place really has tanked.
- airstrike 3mo agoit is 100% the argument being made, but you can't see it just yet
- mrexroad 3mo agoBetter make sure the pizza gets delivered on time, else you’ll have to pull your sword.
- skywhopper 3mo agoYou’ve been misled about how encryption works apparently.
- EGreg 3mo agoIt seems their incentives aren’t exactly aligned with their users, including corporate users. Look at the latest statements from Alex Karp, and now Satya Nadella etc. Is this user-hostile? Encrypting stuff from the user is what RIAA used to do with DRM, worried about copyright infringement.
- ssgodderidge 3mo ago[dead]
- pornel 3mo agoNothing by Alex Karp is aligned with any users. This guy is a mercenary, and he seems to be in this job for the love of killing.
- ctkhn 3mo agoI thought tweaking was his highest calling
- lstodd 3mo agoDid you mean twerking?
- faidit 3mo agoThe man is a polymath.
- Obscurity4340 3mo agoPolymeth
- arjie 3mo agoYeah but his users are hiring him to set up their killing machines so that they’ll do it better. So that makes him highly aligned with users. Besides, the SaaSification of these things is expected. When you run a model, the reasoning traces are an internal implementation detail of the program that then results in certain user-visible output. It can be used to distill etc and most users don’t care about it. It’s not some novel thing that internal implementation detail of software is a trade secret.
- echelon 3mo ago[flagged]
- bronson 3mo agoYou can! Subscribe to a Z.ai coding plan.
- baby 3mo agoif you're running in YOLO mode you already don't care, what matters are the tool calls and these can't be encrypted
- embedding-shape 3mo agoI'm running in YOLO mode, not sure why that mean I don't want introspection into what the sub-agents are running? Everything is running in a constrained environment, so not sure why you'd need the harness to have limits.
- Majromax 3mo agoNo, you'd still care. YOLO mode is about instantaneous permissions and access control, inspection of subagent prompts is about retrospective quality control. If the main model is instructing subagents to do a subtly wrong thing, the overall process quality will degrade in ways that might be very hard to detect or fix without deep inspection of the middle stages.