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It is funny. Well-socialized person doesn't need this kind of guide, as unwritten rules of social play are learned in the process of growing-up. But it is clea
by wolvesechoes 3mo ago
It is funny. Well-socialized person doesn't need this kind of guide, as unwritten rules of social play are learned in the process of growing-up.
But it is clear for "nerds" and "hackers" social is impenetrable, thus preference for interacting with the machine and towards techno-solutionism. What, by the way, the main reason FOSS movement will never liberate anything.
- srean 3mo ago> unwritten rules of social play are learned in the process of growing-up. Could you elaborate. Under which circumstances does one learn these things. Family, surely not. I hope so.
- derwiki 3mo agoI learned this best in university clubs that had elected positions
- srean 3mo agoAh ! Makes sense. Those places seemed quite toxic and I kept my distance from those.
- derwiki 3mo agoOOC, if you accept the premise that they would have been a good place to practice/understand this sort of thing, and got a chance to “do over,” would you still keep your distance?
- srean 3mo agoDifficult to answer because I find some of the machinations so distressing. Perhaps it is the way I am wired. Given the benefits of the knowledge that became apparent later in life, I might have preferred looking on from a distance to understand how things work. But good question. You made me re-evaluated a choice I had made.
- pjmlp 3mo agoOh family as well, when going beyond the one household, into the remainig family branches especially if money, property are involved, or going against the house culture and expectations for one's life choices.
- wolvesechoes 3mo ago> Family, surely not. I hope so School, workplace, sports club, but yes, family as well. Children learn how to influence their parents to get what the want, which parent they should put pressure on, which parent should be first to be told about some issue etc. We don't call it politics as it is just a natural thing, but the principle is the same.
- derwiki 3mo agoI recently had a conversation with some friends, and one mentioned that she hates office politics and tries to stay out of it. It clicked for me: people who hate/abstain from office “politics” are just clueless about the social/organizational hierarchy. Absolutely there is some real political nastiness that can happen, but 98 3/4% of what’s described as office politics really just seems like a) make decisions that are aligned with the company and b) make someone up your management chain look good.
- zug_zug 3mo agoIt's more than that, some of us actually believe in a thing called "good work." The idea that powerful manager saying untrue things shouldn't be contradicted may seem like "obviously correct" to you, but actually at the places where 80% of engineers call that shit out that political manager probably gets booted from the company. But many people genuinely believe politicians are a net negative on the company as a whole, and in startups many people are willing to do/say what's best for the company without expecting some individual return.
- wolvesechoes 3mo ago> actually at the places where 80% of engineers call that shit out that political manager probably gets booted from the company. Congrats, you will soon discover that politics is about realizing your goals by influencing other people and their decisions. And it is easier when you end up in the group that share your set of values.
- zug_zug 3mo agoCool bro, only 20 years into my career, can't wait to soon discover that! Gonna be so awesome to try hard to keep a mental model of every single director's desires and kiss their ass and make a bunch of fake projects and fake announcements all to not get promoted anyways! An introvert's dream. Can't wait to do that instead of remote working chilling in my hammock!
- fragmede 3mo agoThe problem is those rules aren't the same across the world, so what works in one place doesn't apply to the next.