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I find the UCS position interesting and have no argument with the data on yield increases or the ineffectiveness of Glyphosphate-resistant GM Crops in increasin
by robbiep 14y ago
I find the UCS position interesting and have no argument with the data on yield increases or the ineffectiveness of Glyphosphate-resistant GM Crops in increasing yields (Although I find this questionable from personal experience).
My experience relates to Cotton, not Maize (corn in the rest of the world) and so is more relevant to the discussion of fibre rather than food cropping
I grew up on a cotton farm in Australia and witnessed first-hand the introduction of both Bt- (branded Bollgard by Monsanto) and Roundup-Ready Cotton varieties.
I think an often overlooked aspect of the introduction of genetic modification is the Environmental and economic improvements.
For Example.
When we first started growing cotton (around 1993), in a bad (insect) season we would occasionally spray our crops 7-8 times. Stories abound of farmers getting planes in perhaps 15 times.
Enter Bt-modified Cotton - 0 Sprays.
These chemicals weren't good, and I think not spraying them was a big win for the environment. This, combined with intelligent management of resistance (Crops are required to have a 10% 'reserve' area of either unmodified Cotton or another crop the insect is attracted to, so that selective pressures don't evolve resistance), is surely a benefit that is hard to calculate and to the best of my knowledge no study of this kind has been made.
Roundup ready cotton, when introduced, meant that we saved around $100,000 per field of cotton on Cotton Chipper costs (That is exactly what it sounds like - around 80-100 people walking through the rows of cotton with hoes to chip out weeds, which will otherwise grow and contaminate the crop). This had an economic effect for us, the grower (save money) - which I must admit was not all savings as of course the cost of the technology through seed must be taken into account).
It also had an economic effect on the labourers - seasonal employees. It may be good or bad individually but economics suggests that those labourers are now driven further up the supply chain & re-allocated through the economy.
Interestingly there would have been further environmental gains if Terminator seed technology had of been introduced. I dont want to get into the ethics of terminator technology for food crops as I am also concerned about the impact any use in that area would have on continual seed usage, particuarly in developing nations as most developed nation farms use hybrid seed which must be purchased each year anyway: But i digress
Terminator technology, by rendering second generation seed sterile, would stop harsh chemicals being used to kill regrowth after the crop is harvested; and also mean that the soil may not have to be plowed which also has environmental effects in terms of fuel use, soil compaction, increased erosion and moisture loss.
- cmccabe 14y agoYeah, it's funny how the anti-GMO people seem unconcerned with the much worse stuff we spray in terms of pesticides. And it's not like you can avoid consuming pesticides and pesticide byproducts just by eating organic food, not when planes are saturating the area with it. GMOs have the potential to greatly decrease pesticide use.
- zzzeek 14y ago> it's funny how the anti-GMO people seem unconcerned with the much worse stuff we spray in terms of pesticides You are seriously suggesting that anti-GMO advocates are in favor of pesticides? Even though you disagree with the concept of organic food, it's an outrageous suggestion that people are "unconcerned". The linked articles also contain many examples of how GMO's attempts to reduce pesticide use tend to backfire - but also, their position is, as practiced by multinational corporations like Monsanto. Remember, the only point here is, "anti-GMO" is not "pseudoscience". There is real, expert analysis based on peer-reviewed studies behind this position.
- robbiep 14y agoI think what Cmccabe is trying to say is that a major benefit of GMOs would be reduction in pesticide usage, which is not something that is really heard much as a benefit of GMOs. I agree that anti-GMO by itself is not a pseudoscience but anti-GMO is a position that is very often lumped in with other pseudosciences- 'natural' therapies, anti-vaccinationers, anti-establishment and conspiracy theory types. This is not to say there is not a legitimate point that they have, but that there is a larger cultural movement which finds their aims aligned with the anti-GMO body of knowledge, and a lot of those proponents are not known for their rational approaches to evidence.
- zzzeek 14y agoabsolutely, and it peeves me to no end when so-called "rationalists" on hacker news aren't able to understand the distinction between legitimate GMO concerns versus the more fringe cultural system that embraces the anti-GMO stance. UOCS is definitely concerned about Monsanto's profit motive taking precedence over sound ideas that benefit society, and that is a political stance, for which they've offered many reasoned and fact-based arguments. But right wing patriot/militia groups also embrace the same free market/libertarian ideals so popular on HN, yet it of course would not be at all reasonable to label any free-market enthusiast as being a wild-eyed member of the john birch society.