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Yeah, I am leaning towards never to use anything that is forced to implement any kind of age verification.

shevy-java 3mo ago
Well, they could change the laws to force people into slavery here, e. g. by forcing them to use US corporations ("if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society"). In that case they see age sniffing as ultimate tool of spying on everyone, so this is probably the real goal. What we all can see is that this has never been about children - they are just abused as the red hering here.
- trashb 3mo ago
  > "if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society" It would be a difficult choice but would it really be so bad to be excluded from such a society? Don't a lot of people from silicon valley dream to be farmers in the wildlands?
  - Anoian 3mo ago
    This highly depends on your world view. If you don't care about people or society, then yes you can be right. I, for one, want to be part of society.
  - snottynose 3mo ago
    I mean, if the government would not demolish your house the second they found out about it...
dheera 3mo ago
You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick. You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary. You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets. My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.
- toasty228 3mo ago
  You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much
  - fsflover 3mo ago
    > You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Will it be stored and processed by every shop you enter? If not, how is this relevant here? Currently, the personal data exists but is not accessed by anyone unless it is really required. And even then, the scope can be minimized if the user wants. > do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Yes. I use Whonix on Qubes to access HN and other websites. > but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much Speak for yourself.
    - toasty228 3mo ago
      > Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Basically yes, your mobile connection is attached to a name, your landline is attached to a name, your adresse too, the card you use to pay online too.
      - fsflover 3mo ago
        Websites do not have access to any of these, do they?
        toasty228 3mo ago

Well, they could change the laws to force people into slavery here, e. g. by forcing them to use US corporations ("if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society"). In that case they see age sniffing as ultimate tool of spying on everyone, so this is probably the real goal. What we all can see is that this has never been about children - they are just abused as the red hering here.

trashb 3mo ago
> "if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society" It would be a difficult choice but would it really be so bad to be excluded from such a society? Don't a lot of people from silicon valley dream to be farmers in the wildlands?
- Anoian 3mo ago
  This highly depends on your world view. If you don't care about people or society, then yes you can be right. I, for one, want to be part of society.
- snottynose 3mo ago
  I mean, if the government would not demolish your house the second they found out about it...

dheera 3mo ago

You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick. You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary. You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets. My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.

toasty228 3mo ago
You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much
- fsflover 3mo ago
  > You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Will it be stored and processed by every shop you enter? If not, how is this relevant here? Currently, the personal data exists but is not accessed by anyone unless it is really required. And even then, the scope can be minimized if the user wants. > do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Yes. I use Whonix on Qubes to access HN and other websites. > but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much Speak for yourself.
  - toasty228 3mo ago
    > Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Basically yes, your mobile connection is attached to a name, your landline is attached to a name, your adresse too, the card you use to pay online too.
    - fsflover 3mo ago
      Websites do not have access to any of these, do they?
      - toasty228 3mo ago