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Looks a lot like infogami, just more broken :-)

by nirs 19y ago

joshwa 19y ago
or like backpack, but with the default permissions reversed (he even stole some copy from backpack)
omouse 19y ago
Yeah, I don't get why he would want to try with this again. Why doesn't he focus on web.py and promoting it? That would be much more fulfilling than creating a wiki/note-jotting site.
- steve 19y ago
  Ohh but how your perception will change when you see his site achieve a state of perfection:) Hah, anyway I myself do enjoy webpy and wouldn't mind giving something back to it, but if I were him I'd probably rather do a startup.
- bootload 19y ago
  "... Why doesn't he focus on web.py and promoting it? ..." The focus is there. I've been lurking the web.py mail list for a long time (Jan 19, 2006 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/88347878/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/88347878/ ) and there has been a steady progression of code since then. So in my view it is being promoted, worked on and improved. "The programmers were in the corner doing what they were told. That's one reason they were so easy to outsource. If a programmer never really talks to the customer, never thinks, just solves little puzzles, well that's a perfect candidate for something to offshore." ~ Founders at Work, Ch24, Philip Greenspun, P325, Livingston, 2007. But instead of just promoting just another bit of technology, maybe it's better to do something with it. A lot of technology is commodity that can be replicated by some programmer in the corner. Build useful things with it, creating value is a lot harder to commoditise.
- euccastro 19y ago
  I don't think there is much point in telling him what would be more fulfilling to him.
- pg 19y ago
  Some interesting and useful things have to be done as companies rather than open-source projects.
  - euccastro 19y ago
    What are those, in the software world? I can only think of projects that involve a lot of drudge work that nobody wants to do unless they're paid to. I suppose this includes most services. What else has to be done by a company?
    - pg 19y ago
      Google probably has to, for example.
      - euccastro 19y ago
        Yes, Google is a service. But then again, Debian repositories are a service, as is Wikipedia, as is Usenet (although you said 'open source', I'm assuming your argument extends to donated effort in general). So there must be some other difficulty to Google. There are high stakes, business wise, in web search. But then again, that was just as true for operating systems and web browsers. So cross that one too. Google is resource intensive. Open source is good at providing manpower, but not so good at sustaining huge running costs of other type. But then again, Google started quite small, and I'd guess Wikipedia, Usenet or Debian need more resources than many small companies. So, is it only a matter of size? In any event, this doesn't apply to Aaron's new startup. Anything else?
        euccastro 19y ago
        Just came to mind: an area where open source doesn't even try to go, AFAIK, is services that require you to entrust them with sensitive personal data. For example, I don't think there's any volunteer run service that asks you for your credit card info, or that hosts your personal email. I don't think it's only (or mainly) a matter of accountability. In general, volunteer services are given for the benefit of a community. Services targeted to individuals (except casual social interactions like answering questions) don't attract much volunteer effort, and are generally provided by for-profit companies.

Looks a lot like infogami, just more broken :-)

by nirs 19y ago

Looks a lot like infogami, just more broken :-)

joshwa 19y ago

or like backpack, but with the default permissions reversed (he even stole some copy from backpack)

omouse 19y ago

Yeah, I don't get why he would want to try with this again. Why doesn't he focus on web.py and promoting it? That would be much more fulfilling than creating a wiki/note-jotting site.

steve 19y ago
Ohh but how your perception will change when you see his site achieve a state of perfection:) Hah, anyway I myself do enjoy webpy and wouldn't mind giving something back to it, but if I were him I'd probably rather do a startup.
bootload 19y ago
"... Why doesn't he focus on web.py and promoting it? ..." The focus is there. I've been lurking the web.py mail list for a long time (Jan 19, 2006 ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/88347878/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/88347878/ ) and there has been a steady progression of code since then. So in my view it is being promoted, worked on and improved. "The programmers were in the corner doing what they were told. That's one reason they were so easy to outsource. If a programmer never really talks to the customer, never thinks, just solves little puzzles, well that's a perfect candidate for something to offshore." ~ Founders at Work, Ch24, Philip Greenspun, P325, Livingston, 2007. But instead of just promoting just another bit of technology, maybe it's better to do something with it. A lot of technology is commodity that can be replicated by some programmer in the corner. Build useful things with it, creating value is a lot harder to commoditise.
euccastro 19y ago
I don't think there is much point in telling him what would be more fulfilling to him.
pg 19y ago
Some interesting and useful things have to be done as companies rather than open-source projects.
- euccastro 19y ago
  What are those, in the software world? I can only think of projects that involve a lot of drudge work that nobody wants to do unless they're paid to. I suppose this includes most services. What else has to be done by a company?
  - pg 19y ago
    Google probably has to, for example.
    - euccastro 19y ago
      Yes, Google is a service. But then again, Debian repositories are a service, as is Wikipedia, as is Usenet (although you said 'open source', I'm assuming your argument extends to donated effort in general). So there must be some other difficulty to Google. There are high stakes, business wise, in web search. But then again, that was just as true for operating systems and web browsers. So cross that one too. Google is resource intensive. Open source is good at providing manpower, but not so good at sustaining huge running costs of other type. But then again, Google started quite small, and I'd guess Wikipedia, Usenet or Debian need more resources than many small companies. So, is it only a matter of size? In any event, this doesn't apply to Aaron's new startup. Anything else?
      - euccastro 19y ago
        Just came to mind: an area where open source doesn't even try to go, AFAIK, is services that require you to entrust them with sensitive personal data. For example, I don't think there's any volunteer run service that asks you for your credit card info, or that hosts your personal email. I don't think it's only (or mainly) a matter of accountability. In general, volunteer services are given for the benefit of a community. Services targeted to individuals (except casual social interactions like answering questions) don't attract much volunteer effort, and are generally provided by for-profit companies.