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I am not a fan of such an "app". But the app is, as far as I understand, for things like Facebook, TikTok etc. Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS,

I am not a fan of such an "app". But the app is, as far as I understand, for things like Facebook, TikTok etc. Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors? WebOS was nice but who is still using this? Symbian? Can you even use Social Media Apps with another phone OS?

troupo 3mo ago
> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors? I remember a gov.uk team presentation. They had a usecase of someone using a PS Vita to access a government assistance program because that was the only device they had access to. Among 450 million people in the EU there are definitely more OSes than just latest versions of iOS and Android.
uniq7 3mo ago
> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors Yes, there are many more: GNU/Linux, Windows, macOS, *BSD, etc. This will prevent people who only own a computer and not a modern iOS/Android smartphone from accessing services and platforms. This also sets a very strong anti-competition pressure. Which company will try now to invest on developing a new OS for smartphones if we already know users will not be able to access the most popular services & platforms with it?
- anthk 3mo ago
  Well, that would boost up torrent and sites and places like Usenet and IRC with no age verification at all. English speakers can just use overseas servers (or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland). And maybe Usenet servers outside the US too. Spanish speakers in Spain will just register services in Latinamerica sites with a VPN. Despite the dialect differences, non-jargon Spanish it's understood everywhere and once they got their user registered they can switch the country anytime. Distros like Trisquel will just set their sites and mirrors outside the EU. And, well, if they provide a portable torrent client for Windows among the torrent the law would be utterly broken.
  - joe_mamba 3mo ago
    >or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland Switzerland absolutely complies to EU (and US) demands for a long time now, when it comes to prosecuting crimes. Swiss privacy and anonymity is a myth from a bygone era.
- Beijinger 3mo ago
  Oh, sorry, I was only thinking phone. I use myself an unsusual OS, Bodhi Linux, but for phones the selection is much more limited.
sebtron 3mo ago
> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors? Like Windows, MacOS and Linux?
lexlambda 3mo ago
as far as I'm aware, Adroid is not the same as the requirement here, which requires specific Google attestation. There is GrapheneOS, HarmonyOS by Huawei, LineageOS for older phones and many more Android ROMs. Additionally, Linux phones exist and are already sold in the EU to consumers, not just a prototype. There's really no justification around limiting the OS selection. There is also Linux, Windows, MacOS and many more operatint system not limited to phones.
- Beijinger 3mo ago
  All this are Android flavors.
ThatMedicIsASpy 3mo ago
I'm on SailfishOS since a couple of years
hogwasher 3mo ago
Yes. LineageOS, GrapheneOS, Arch, Sailfish, various other open distros, Windows Phone, and a surprising number of random proprietary options (these are sometimes based on Android, and have some social media apps, but can't run regular Android apps that weren't specifically designed or altered for it) including for modern dumbphones. There are always more over time, too. There's also old versions of iOS and Android. We don't want to end up in a situation where people are locked into one of only two vendors and can be forced to keep buying the newest model to use an ID app that only supports the most recent software. That'd be even worse for the environment than the current disposable smartphone culture. Everything to do with the age verification push is corrupt and stupid to begin with. There isn't even a legitimate cause behind all this for forcing ANY app, even if it didn't also force people to buy a specific, expensive, privacy-invading American product.
mrsssnake 3mo ago
Even in a world where Android and iOS have 100% of market share, the law (including indirect but obvious consequences of the law) should not force using them.
mghackerlady 3mo ago
SailfishOS, various incompatible blends of AOSP, KaiOS, and the Mocor based OSs run on various UNISOC based dumb phones

troupo 3mo ago

> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors? I remember a gov.uk team presentation. They had a usecase of someone using a PS Vita to access a government assistance program because that was the only device they had access to. Among 450 million people in the EU there are definitely more OSes than just latest versions of iOS and Android.

uniq7 3mo ago

> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors Yes, there are many more: GNU/Linux, Windows, macOS, *BSD, etc. This will prevent people who only own a computer and not a modern iOS/Android smartphone from accessing services and platforms. This also sets a very strong anti-competition pressure. Which company will try now to invest on developing a new OS for smartphones if we already know users will not be able to access the most popular services & platforms with it?

anthk 3mo ago
Well, that would boost up torrent and sites and places like Usenet and IRC with no age verification at all. English speakers can just use overseas servers (or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland). And maybe Usenet servers outside the US too. Spanish speakers in Spain will just register services in Latinamerica sites with a VPN. Despite the dialect differences, non-jargon Spanish it's understood everywhere and once they got their user registered they can switch the country anytime. Distros like Trisquel will just set their sites and mirrors outside the EU. And, well, if they provide a portable torrent client for Windows among the torrent the law would be utterly broken.
- joe_mamba 3mo ago
  >or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland Switzerland absolutely complies to EU (and US) demands for a long time now, when it comes to prosecuting crimes. Swiss privacy and anonymity is a myth from a bygone era.
Beijinger 3mo ago
Oh, sorry, I was only thinking phone. I use myself an unsusual OS, Bodhi Linux, but for phones the selection is much more limited.

sebtron 3mo ago

> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors? Like Windows, MacOS and Linux?

lexlambda 3mo ago

as far as I'm aware, Adroid is not the same as the requirement here, which requires specific Google attestation. There is GrapheneOS, HarmonyOS by Huawei, LineageOS for older phones and many more Android ROMs. Additionally, Linux phones exist and are already sold in the EU to consumers, not just a prototype. There's really no justification around limiting the OS selection. There is also Linux, Windows, MacOS and many more operatint system not limited to phones.

Beijinger 3mo ago
All this are Android flavors.

ThatMedicIsASpy 3mo ago

I'm on SailfishOS since a couple of years

hogwasher 3mo ago

Yes. LineageOS, GrapheneOS, Arch, Sailfish, various other open distros, Windows Phone, and a surprising number of random proprietary options (these are sometimes based on Android, and have some social media apps, but can't run regular Android apps that weren't specifically designed or altered for it) including for modern dumbphones. There are always more over time, too. There's also old versions of iOS and Android. We don't want to end up in a situation where people are locked into one of only two vendors and can be forced to keep buying the newest model to use an ID app that only supports the most recent software. That'd be even worse for the environment than the current disposable smartphone culture. Everything to do with the age verification push is corrupt and stupid to begin with. There isn't even a legitimate cause behind all this for forcing ANY app, even if it didn't also force people to buy a specific, expensive, privacy-invading American product.

mrsssnake 3mo ago

Even in a world where Android and iOS have 100% of market share, the law (including indirect but obvious consequences of the law) should not force using them.

mghackerlady 3mo ago

SailfishOS, various incompatible blends of AOSP, KaiOS, and the Mocor based OSs run on various UNISOC based dumb phones