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How is the "world"? Why does the "world" have that power? Machine owners don't have the power, for example.
by RandomLensman 3mo ago
How is the "world"? Why does the "world" have that power? Machine owners don't have the power, for example.
- nibbleyou 3mo agoIf AGI can do everything and a few own the AGI, then they have that power. Even now the machine owners have enough power to change laws to their liking, bending governments and public opinion to their will.
- RandomLensman 3mo agoUnless AGI has actual god-like powers, the owners don't have that power. Governments' and public opinion can change and are not so easy to control as you make it out to be. Is, for example, the EU AI Act or the GDPR the will of the machine owners? The odd thing is that after the pandemic just showed what societies can enforce, somehow it all is forgotten again when it comes to who holds what power.
- Gud 3mo agoGod like powers are not necessary. What is necessary are pretty basic killer robots with the capability of determining who is a friend and who is a foe. These systems already exist. Labor is a commodity that has had a diminishing value in our current, capitalist system. That means, people who rely on their labor(most of us) instead of capital(a few), have control over less and less resources(this is already happening). With the current trend, what generation of your grand children will have nothing at all? Or perhaps, they stand to benefit?
- RandomLensman 3mo agoI don't see how such robots would be sufficient there and recent trends might mean little over the next decades.
- lelanthran 3mo ago> How is the "world"? I have no idea what that means. > Why does the "world" have that power? Okay, lets say "the environment". The universe does not care whether you live or die, so why are you so sure that someone will paternalistically care for you? On what are you basing this viewpoint on? > Machine owners don't have the power, for example. That's because the world doesn't care about them either. So why would the world care about you?
- RandomLensman 3mo agoSorry, "who" not "how". If we are just talking about the physical environment then totally fine - a rock doesn't care about me, for example. Humans tend to care about humans at least in some situations on average, though.
- lelanthran 3mo ago> Humans tend to care about humans at least in some situations on average, though. Look, I actually agree: humans do care about humans, on average. The problem is that power tends to concentrate to those who don't care about humans. When almost all jobs can be replaced by machines, the owners of those machines are unlikely to be much different from Sam Altman and Co. They aren't going to sit down and say "Well, look, we have all the wealth, and means of wealth. Let's give everyone food, shelter, clothing, because our machines can do it".
- RandomLensman 3mo agoHow much of any gains the machinr owners could keep isn't just up to them - I think they look more powerful than they are.