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>Nokia could have dominated and we wouldn't be stuck with mostly proprietary phones. In an alternative timeline with Nokia winning, linux would still have GPLv
by no_time 3mo ago
>Nokia could have dominated and we wouldn't be stuck with mostly proprietary phones.
In an alternative timeline with Nokia winning, linux would still have GPLv2 which has no answer for proprietary drivers and tivoization. Also, the desire to dominate enduser devices by corporations/governments would still be there.
- ACCount37 3mo agoTivoization should have been strangled in its crib. "Secure boot" as it's used today is the death knell of user freedom.
- brookst 3mo agoIt’s all tradeoffs. Secure boot sucks for enthusiasts but wow would the phone security / root kit scene be a nightmare without it.
- ACCount37 3mo agoWould it? A bootkit doesn't give you any more access - only more persistence. At the price of having to tailor a payload to a hardware and software platform very carefully. For most attackers, that's just not worth it. Now, if what you want to "secure" is your ability to gatekeep what software users can and can't install? What sources they can and can't consume media from? What system-level spyware and adware users can and can't remove? What operators users can and can't connect to? Then, suddenly, "secure boot" makes an awful lot of sense. Which is exactly how "secure boot" is treated by vendors nowadays. It's there to "secure" something alright. It's there to chain device software to the device vendor securely. There's a reason why modern "secure boot" originated on gaming consoles and TV boxes.
- brookst 3mo ago> There's a reason why modern "secure boot" originated on gaming consoles and TV boxes. Yes, because hardware is sold at or below cost, and giving away a general purpose computer without reaping the long term upside is a recipe for disaster. But look at the prevalence of cheating on PC games versus console and tell me secure boot does nothing for actual security.
- fsflover 3mo ago> cheating > security How are these two connected? Are you talking about security of companies from the users?
- brookst 3mo agoYes? And users from each other? If you’re so far into the “I buy it, nobody can tell me what to do with it” camp that you think it’s unethical for companies to try to stop cheating in multiplayer games… well, we don’t have much in common.
- fsflover 3mo agoYou approach basically makes general-purpose computers/phones impossible in order to save multiplayer games.
- edude03 3mo agoIf phones didn't have secure boot nowadays inevitably little Johnny would (unknowingly) install a rootkit on his mom's phone for the promise of free vbucks or some see through walls app.
- fsflover 3mo agoThis is just FUD designed to remove the ownership of our devices.
- roundabout-host 3mo agoThen tell me how PCs have survived for 40 years, given that you can always install another OS.
- inigyou 3mo agoIIRC tivoizing GPLv2 software is illegal in some countries such as Germany. See Steck vs AVM