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The fine print is interesting, theres a cap, fair use provisions and it requires a smart meter. Smart meters are still a bit contentious. Sadly probably wont b

The fine print is interesting, theres a cap, fair use provisions and it requires a smart meter. Smart meters are still a bit contentious. Sadly probably wont be any good for selective crypto mining, alas.

nharada 3mo ago
A 24 kWh cap per day seems very reasonable. Drawing 8 kW is quite a lot.
- DamonHD 3mo ago
  My home is in London UK and is relatively small and efficient, but 8kWh may be higher than our peak demand ever over more than 20 years in this house...
  - pjc50 3mo ago
    UK appliances cap out at 13A, or 3.1kW. Electric cookers may be on higher current wiring, but seem to be rated at 3kW max anyway. I think the only way most people could get to 8kW continuous without an EV would be to turn on their electric oven, grill, and all spots on their electric hob. And the kettle.
    - Symbiote 3mo ago
      My Danish electricity supplier lets me download my smart meter records since 2022. It's by hour, and the highest times are probably when I was cooking with both the oven and the hob, and perhaps had the washing machine running too. The highest hour used 2.9kWh. Plenty of cheap (e.g. rental) homes in the UK have crappy electric shows, which are usually rated at 6-8kW — but rarely used for a whole hour.
  - DamonHD 3mo ago
    Ofc I meant 8kW! Eeek. But also it is unlikely that we used 24kWh in any one day ever.
- Animats 3mo ago
  It's not enough to charge a car fully.
  - kaelwd 3mo ago
    How often do you discharge a car fully?
    - tialaramex 3mo ago
      I think this is another of those weird "Electricity as fuel" metaphors where non-owners don't understand that an EV, like their phone, isn't a thing you specifically "fill up" like you would a petrol car.
  - skeledrew 3mo ago
    Then charge the car partially.
worthless-trash 3mo ago
> Sadly probably wont be any good for selective crypto mining, alas. I imagine that this is not the target audience.
- protocolture 3mo ago
  Its a time honored Australian tradition to review new government programs and absolutely milk them dry.
defrost 3mo ago
To be fair, in a modern Maslow’s Aussie Hierarchy of Needs energy is a foundational Physiological Need, whereas energy for crypto mining is a luxury item best placed out past the outhouse of the main pyramid.
rswail 3mo ago
Victoria has had smart meters rolled out for over a decade. The rest of the states in the NEM are aiming for 2030 to complete their rollouts. Aside from the supposed "contentious" nature of smart meters, which is mostly the RW cookers thinking it's some nefarious plot, along with vaccines and 5G.
- protocolture 3mo ago
  >Aside from the supposed "contentious" nature of smart meters, which is mostly the RW cookers thinking it's some nefarious plot, along with vaccines and 5G. Eh I sit on the fence on this one. Take your pick as to who is going to abuse the data. Corps or the government to taste. Consider this very proposal, incentives to use power at certain times are good. But that incentive structure could instead be very anti consumer. Higher prices when we need electricity would be a horrid state of affairs when rents have doubled in 5 years and a lot of people are barely holding on.
  - rswail 3mo ago
    Smart meters don't make things better or worse, they are technology that enables better time-of-use metering than the century of multiple meters for peak vs off-peak consumption, as well as making meter reading/billing cheaper. They enable new services like feed-in tariffs and incorporation of V2G and VPP infrastructure. Rents have not doubled in 5 years. Rental inflation peaked at ~8% and is now below 4% pa. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/rent-inflation https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/rent-inflation
    - protocolture 3mo ago
      Well my rent went from 320 to 520. And then they wanted 580 so we are moving to a slightly nicer place for 600. Not quite doubled but near enough. My area has had larger increases than that. Bloke up the road had to have his daughter move home and take up 300 dollars of the rent, which is what her apartment was costing her before covid. > they are technology that enables better time-of-use metering Right and we all have to pretend that the technology is neutral and act surprised when it ends up being used for anti consumer purposes? Thats the usual game isn't it?
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nharada 3mo ago

A 24 kWh cap per day seems very reasonable. Drawing 8 kW is quite a lot.

DamonHD 3mo ago
My home is in London UK and is relatively small and efficient, but 8kWh may be higher than our peak demand ever over more than 20 years in this house...
- pjc50 3mo ago
  UK appliances cap out at 13A, or 3.1kW. Electric cookers may be on higher current wiring, but seem to be rated at 3kW max anyway. I think the only way most people could get to 8kW continuous without an EV would be to turn on their electric oven, grill, and all spots on their electric hob. And the kettle.
  - Symbiote 3mo ago
    My Danish electricity supplier lets me download my smart meter records since 2022. It's by hour, and the highest times are probably when I was cooking with both the oven and the hob, and perhaps had the washing machine running too. The highest hour used 2.9kWh. Plenty of cheap (e.g. rental) homes in the UK have crappy electric shows, which are usually rated at 6-8kW — but rarely used for a whole hour.
- DamonHD 3mo ago
  Ofc I meant 8kW! Eeek. But also it is unlikely that we used 24kWh in any one day ever.
Animats 3mo ago
It's not enough to charge a car fully.
- kaelwd 3mo ago
  How often do you discharge a car fully?
  - tialaramex 3mo ago
    I think this is another of those weird "Electricity as fuel" metaphors where non-owners don't understand that an EV, like their phone, isn't a thing you specifically "fill up" like you would a petrol car.
- skeledrew 3mo ago
  Then charge the car partially.

worthless-trash 3mo ago

> Sadly probably wont be any good for selective crypto mining, alas. I imagine that this is not the target audience.

protocolture 3mo ago
Its a time honored Australian tradition to review new government programs and absolutely milk them dry.

defrost 3mo ago

To be fair, in a modern Maslow’s Aussie Hierarchy of Needs energy is a foundational Physiological Need, whereas energy for crypto mining is a luxury item best placed out past the outhouse of the main pyramid.

rswail 3mo ago

Victoria has had smart meters rolled out for over a decade. The rest of the states in the NEM are aiming for 2030 to complete their rollouts. Aside from the supposed "contentious" nature of smart meters, which is mostly the RW cookers thinking it's some nefarious plot, along with vaccines and 5G.

protocolture 3mo ago
>Aside from the supposed "contentious" nature of smart meters, which is mostly the RW cookers thinking it's some nefarious plot, along with vaccines and 5G. Eh I sit on the fence on this one. Take your pick as to who is going to abuse the data. Corps or the government to taste. Consider this very proposal, incentives to use power at certain times are good. But that incentive structure could instead be very anti consumer. Higher prices when we need electricity would be a horrid state of affairs when rents have doubled in 5 years and a lot of people are barely holding on.
- rswail 3mo ago
  Smart meters don't make things better or worse, they are technology that enables better time-of-use metering than the century of multiple meters for peak vs off-peak consumption, as well as making meter reading/billing cheaper. They enable new services like feed-in tariffs and incorporation of V2G and VPP infrastructure. Rents have not doubled in 5 years. Rental inflation peaked at ~8% and is now below 4% pa. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/rent-inflation https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/rent-inflation
  - protocolture 3mo ago
    Well my rent went from 320 to 520. And then they wanted 580 so we are moving to a slightly nicer place for 600. Not quite doubled but near enough. My area has had larger increases than that. Bloke up the road had to have his daughter move home and take up 300 dollars of the rent, which is what her apartment was costing her before covid. > they are technology that enables better time-of-use metering Right and we all have to pretend that the technology is neutral and act surprised when it ends up being used for anti consumer purposes? Thats the usual game isn't it?

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