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There's nothing "backwards" in "rebase point of view". It's just automated cherry-picking - it's like applying patches, it's as forwards as it gets. People who

There's nothing "backwards" in "rebase point of view". It's just automated cherry-picking - it's like applying patches, it's as forwards as it gets. People who think it's "backwards" usually just have holes in their mental model of the repository. And yes, I find tools doing what you're asking them to do to be rather fine. In fact, Git makes it easy to notice when you're adding commits mid-rebase, which is something I often do intentionally, as it tells you what the HEAD is (and even shows a detailed state of the in-progress rebase) while authoring the commit message.

bulatb 3mo ago
I understand how rebase works and use it many times a day. Thanks for trying to explain but I won't respond further.
- seba_dos1 3mo ago
  These aren't troubles of someone who understands. If anyone else reading this has these kinds of troubles too - don't worry, understanding abstractions takes time and effort, you'll get there eventually (not if you'll keep blaming others though).
  - bulatb 3mo ago
    Let me eat the crow of getting drawn back in and cap this conversation with a summary. I think this is important because criticizing Git's UX is always like this. OP: No one should be worried about using Git to do a thing. bulatb: I'm worried it will be unpleasant. seba_dos1: Here is what will happen when you do the thing. bulatb: I know, but doing it will be unpleasant. seba_dos1: You must not understand what's going to happen. bulatb: I do. The process is unpleasant. seba_dos1: You must not understand what's going to happen.
    - seba_dos1 3mo ago
      Had you actually read what I wrote, you would rather summarize it as "Git is showing exactly what's going to happen when you attempt to do it, all you have to do to make is pleasant is to not ignore it". Reading things requires unpleasant effort though, I get it.
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      - bulatb 3mo ago
        I'm sorry (like actually sorry) if I'm getting into counter-condescension here, but, like... > all you have to do to make is pleasant This is an assumption about what I find unpleasant and why. I take it you think "reading information" and "understanding instructions" are some of those things I don't like. Your conclusion that I must not understand is based on that assumption. The assumption is wrong. If you can grant me that, my problem looks different. If you can't or won't, my summary was right.
        seba_dos1 3mo ago
        If the assumption was wrong, then your first comment was pretty much useless, and the second one didn't help either as it just describes doing things carelessly and without proper understanding. So if that reading of it is wrong, then it was just complaining for complaining's sake and not about Git at all, but rather about what you happen to find scary for some undisclosed reason? People do have genuine troubles with these behaviors when they don't grasp what's going on well enough. These troubles go away pretty much entirely once they do. I think explaining them is the only thing one could write in such thread that will be useful to anyone, as the Git's UX already does make a pretty good effort to help the user orient themselves in these cases and has been visibly improving in this regard over time.
        bulatb 3mo ago
        My point to the OP is the same thing I'm saying to you. "I understand the thing and think it's fine" does not imply that nobody who understands the thing can think it isn't fine, or anyone who doesn't like the thing just doesn't understand it. It's not some deep or interesting idea, but it needs to be repeated any time "git gud" is used as an excuse for Git's UX, which is always.

bulatb 3mo ago

I understand how rebase works and use it many times a day. Thanks for trying to explain but I won't respond further.

seba_dos1 3mo ago
These aren't troubles of someone who understands. If anyone else reading this has these kinds of troubles too - don't worry, understanding abstractions takes time and effort, you'll get there eventually (not if you'll keep blaming others though).
- bulatb 3mo ago
  Let me eat the crow of getting drawn back in and cap this conversation with a summary. I think this is important because criticizing Git's UX is always like this. OP: No one should be worried about using Git to do a thing. bulatb: I'm worried it will be unpleasant. seba_dos1: Here is what will happen when you do the thing. bulatb: I know, but doing it will be unpleasant. seba_dos1: You must not understand what's going to happen. bulatb: I do. The process is unpleasant. seba_dos1: You must not understand what's going to happen.
  - seba_dos1 3mo ago
    Had you actually read what I wrote, you would rather summarize it as "Git is showing exactly what's going to happen when you attempt to do it, all you have to do to make is pleasant is to not ignore it". Reading things requires unpleasant effort though, I get it.
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    - bulatb 3mo ago
      I'm sorry (like actually sorry) if I'm getting into counter-condescension here, but, like... > all you have to do to make is pleasant This is an assumption about what I find unpleasant and why. I take it you think "reading information" and "understanding instructions" are some of those things I don't like. Your conclusion that I must not understand is based on that assumption. The assumption is wrong. If you can grant me that, my problem looks different. If you can't or won't, my summary was right.
      - seba_dos1 3mo ago
        If the assumption was wrong, then your first comment was pretty much useless, and the second one didn't help either as it just describes doing things carelessly and without proper understanding. So if that reading of it is wrong, then it was just complaining for complaining's sake and not about Git at all, but rather about what you happen to find scary for some undisclosed reason? People do have genuine troubles with these behaviors when they don't grasp what's going on well enough. These troubles go away pretty much entirely once they do. I think explaining them is the only thing one could write in such thread that will be useful to anyone, as the Git's UX already does make a pretty good effort to help the user orient themselves in these cases and has been visibly improving in this regard over time.
        bulatb 3mo ago
        My point to the OP is the same thing I'm saying to you. "I understand the thing and think it's fine" does not imply that nobody who understands the thing can think it isn't fine, or anyone who doesn't like the thing just doesn't understand it. It's not some deep or interesting idea, but it needs to be repeated any time "git gud" is used as an excuse for Git's UX, which is always.