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i really hope this is it from telegram. its downright causing havoc in countries without the jurisdictional power like korea and japan which have seen insane ri

i really hope this is it from telegram. its downright causing havoc in countries without the jurisdictional power like korea and japan which have seen insane rise in drug related crime especially in japan they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators running human cell crime ops

fsuts 3mo ago
If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place. Telegram also isnt device to device fully encrypted unless you use a more limited private chat and, as Telegram uses googles messaging service, so likely compromised to NSA anyway.
- inigyou 3mo ago
  That's why they keep getting in trouble. They're not E2EE, but keep refusing court requests just because "we don't wanna"
  - fsuts 3mo ago
    They moved to Dubai? So if a court order is obtained in UAE then they will likely comply, but not from other countries?
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      Or move again or hide forever. They already fled Russia and France. In Dubai they might be able to get protection with money.
      - fsuts 3mo ago
        Dubai isn’t a super power, they have to follow what USA and the major countries say. Wasn’t long ago that they introduced extradition agreements so now it’s not a country anyone can hide in.
        inigyou 3mo ago
        Doesn't mean they'll comply with those agreements under all circumstances. I hear it's a pretty corrupt place.
- duskwuff 3mo ago
  > If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place. I'm not certain that's the case. Telegram has survived in large part because Durov is incredibly wealthy and can afford to shovel money into running the service more or less indefinitely. There's no obvious heir apparent.
inigyou 3mo ago
What counts as drug related crime?
el_io 3mo ago
A domain ban won't be 'it' for telegram.
pluralmonad 3mo ago
Is there a defensible position from which to advocate removing the ability of other people to communicate privately? I can't think of any.
dymk 3mo ago
source?
lesostep 3mo ago
>> they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators I love how your solution isn't "country should decide for themselves and pass the law that suits them" but "let people that have nothing to do with that country take something away from them (sidenote: I also don't have nothing to do with that country)". Drug abuse is a systematic problem, if telegram single-handedly enabling it to alarming rates, the solution should be at least to ban a tech stack. Otherwise it will get replaced in a seconds.

fsuts 3mo ago

If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place. Telegram also isnt device to device fully encrypted unless you use a more limited private chat and, as Telegram uses googles messaging service, so likely compromised to NSA anyway.

inigyou 3mo ago
That's why they keep getting in trouble. They're not E2EE, but keep refusing court requests just because "we don't wanna"
- fsuts 3mo ago
  They moved to Dubai? So if a court order is obtained in UAE then they will likely comply, but not from other countries?
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    Or move again or hide forever. They already fled Russia and France. In Dubai they might be able to get protection with money.
    - fsuts 3mo ago
      Dubai isn’t a super power, they have to follow what USA and the major countries say. Wasn’t long ago that they introduced extradition agreements so now it’s not a country anyone can hide in.
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        Doesn't mean they'll comply with those agreements under all circumstances. I hear it's a pretty corrupt place.
duskwuff 3mo ago
> If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place. I'm not certain that's the case. Telegram has survived in large part because Durov is incredibly wealthy and can afford to shovel money into running the service more or less indefinitely. There's no obvious heir apparent.

inigyou 3mo ago

What counts as drug related crime?

el_io 3mo ago

A domain ban won't be 'it' for telegram.

pluralmonad 3mo ago

Is there a defensible position from which to advocate removing the ability of other people to communicate privately? I can't think of any.

dymk 3mo ago

source?

lesostep 3mo ago

>> they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators I love how your solution isn't "country should decide for themselves and pass the law that suits them" but "let people that have nothing to do with that country take something away from them (sidenote: I also don't have nothing to do with that country)". Drug abuse is a systematic problem, if telegram single-handedly enabling it to alarming rates, the solution should be at least to ban a tech stack. Otherwise it will get replaced in a seconds.