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You are describing a crime. The solution to police committing crimes is police oversight, not neutering policing powers completely.

by scoofy 3mo ago

nozzlegear 3mo ago
IMO the solution is asking why police need these powers in the first place.
- scoofy 3mo ago
  The executive branch is tasked with law enforcement.
  - nozzlegear 3mo ago
    That doesn't mean they need the latest and greatest surveillance tech.
ceejayoz 3mo ago
> The solution to police committing crimes is police oversight… Yeah, when we try that, they… commit more crimes. Riots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Association_Riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Assoc... Doxxing the mayor's kid: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/twitter-suspends-account-of-major-nyc-police-union-for-doxxing-mayor-de-blasios-daughter https://nationalpost.com/news/world/twitter-suspends-account... Or even bombing the mayor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_Police_Department https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_P... > The ACLU obtained a court order prohibiting strikers from carrying their service revolvers. Again, the SFPD ignored the court order. On August 20, a bomb detonated at the Mayor's home with a sign reading "Don't Threaten Us" left on his lawn. On August 21, Mayor Alioto advised the San Francisco Board of Supervisors that they should concede to the strikers' demands. The Supervisors unanimously refused. Mayor Alioto immediately then declared a state of emergency, assumed legislative powers, and granted the strikers' demands.
- scoofy 3mo ago
  Again, you sound like someone who has never read an ounce of political philosophy. The policing of behavior will exist in any society, whether it is held by the state, the church, private security firms, organized crime, or vigilantes. The entire point of putting the police under the authority of a democratic public is because the alternatives are all much worse. The policing arm of the executive branch can be difficult to manage, the point is once it leaves the purview of the state, it is impossible to manage.
  - ceejayoz 3mo ago
    > The entire point of putting the police under the authority of a democratic public is because the alternatives are all much worse. Yes, I agree. I just think we're in that "much worse" scenario now, with police unions, qualified immunity, pardons for brutality, and police punishing attempts to rein them in. American cops are out of control, and emboldened by their success.
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You are describing a crime. The solution to police committing crimes is police oversight, not neutering policing powers completely.

by scoofy 3mo ago

You are describing a crime. The solution to police committing crimes is police oversight, not neutering policing powers completely.

nozzlegear 3mo ago

IMO the solution is asking why police need these powers in the first place.

scoofy 3mo ago
The executive branch is tasked with law enforcement.
- nozzlegear 3mo ago
  That doesn't mean they need the latest and greatest surveillance tech.

ceejayoz 3mo ago

> The solution to police committing crimes is police oversight… Yeah, when we try that, they… commit more crimes. Riots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Association_Riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Assoc... Doxxing the mayor's kid: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/twitter-suspends-account-of-major-nyc-police-union-for-doxxing-mayor-de-blasios-daughter https://nationalpost.com/news/world/twitter-suspends-account... Or even bombing the mayor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_Police_Department https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_P... > The ACLU obtained a court order prohibiting strikers from carrying their service revolvers. Again, the SFPD ignored the court order. On August 20, a bomb detonated at the Mayor's home with a sign reading "Don't Threaten Us" left on his lawn. On August 21, Mayor Alioto advised the San Francisco Board of Supervisors that they should concede to the strikers' demands. The Supervisors unanimously refused. Mayor Alioto immediately then declared a state of emergency, assumed legislative powers, and granted the strikers' demands.

scoofy 3mo ago
Again, you sound like someone who has never read an ounce of political philosophy. The policing of behavior will exist in any society, whether it is held by the state, the church, private security firms, organized crime, or vigilantes. The entire point of putting the police under the authority of a democratic public is because the alternatives are all much worse. The policing arm of the executive branch can be difficult to manage, the point is once it leaves the purview of the state, it is impossible to manage.
- ceejayoz 3mo ago
  > The entire point of putting the police under the authority of a democratic public is because the alternatives are all much worse. Yes, I agree. I just think we're in that "much worse" scenario now, with police unions, qualified immunity, pardons for brutality, and police punishing attempts to rein them in. American cops are out of control, and emboldened by their success.
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