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The Department of Education has spent $3 trillion since its inception in 1980, and academic accomplishment has not advanced at all.

jayGlow 3mo ago
test scores have actually gone down in a number of states I don't think whatever the department of education is doing is actually working.
- retornam 3mo ago
  State governments administer education separately, the Department of Education's job is to make sure they are following federal law. The Department mainly administers federal programs that dish out funding to states. Y'all really don't understand how education works in America and your comments make it clear for all to see.
  - breakwaterlabs 3mo ago
    By what yardstick should we then measure the DoEd's performance-per-dollar, or determine whether it represents "waste"? Because it seems to me that a chief indicator that waste likely exists is an inability to show ROI.
    - WalterBright 3mo ago
      Waste exists when there is no incentive to eliminate it.
great_tankard 3mo ago
Are you saying that the priorities of the Department of Education have been misplaced, or that it was a mistake to have a Department of Education at all? "Academic accomplishment has not advanced at all" feels like something people say without expanding on what they mean by it.
- WalterBright 3mo ago
  Pick your definition of academic accomplishment if you like. What have we got to show for spending $3 trillion?
retornam 3mo ago
> The Department of Education has spent $3 trillion since its inception in 1980, and academic accomplishment has not advanced at all The Institute of Education Sciences (IES), which administers research grants, is a division of the Department of Education. Given your point, how much of this funding was dedicated to research? Even if $500 million (its much more, but I digress) has been invested in research since 1980, this does not negate your point since the Department of Education does more than advancing academic achievement? Each state has its own rules for education. The Department of Education mostly funds programs based on federal law, but they can only regulate state's activities they’re breaking federal law, you can't solely blame the department for failures of multiple state governments.
- WalterBright 3mo ago
  Is there any evidence that the education research has been of any benefit to educational results? The dollars spent is not evidence of accomplishment.
  - watwut 3mo ago
    Frankly, yes.
    - WalterBright 3mo ago
      yes as in ... ?

jayGlow 3mo ago

test scores have actually gone down in a number of states I don't think whatever the department of education is doing is actually working.

retornam 3mo ago
State governments administer education separately, the Department of Education's job is to make sure they are following federal law. The Department mainly administers federal programs that dish out funding to states. Y'all really don't understand how education works in America and your comments make it clear for all to see.
- breakwaterlabs 3mo ago
  By what yardstick should we then measure the DoEd's performance-per-dollar, or determine whether it represents "waste"? Because it seems to me that a chief indicator that waste likely exists is an inability to show ROI.
  - WalterBright 3mo ago
    Waste exists when there is no incentive to eliminate it.

great_tankard 3mo ago

Are you saying that the priorities of the Department of Education have been misplaced, or that it was a mistake to have a Department of Education at all? "Academic accomplishment has not advanced at all" feels like something people say without expanding on what they mean by it.

WalterBright 3mo ago
Pick your definition of academic accomplishment if you like. What have we got to show for spending $3 trillion?

retornam 3mo ago

> The Department of Education has spent $3 trillion since its inception in 1980, and academic accomplishment has not advanced at all The Institute of Education Sciences (IES), which administers research grants, is a division of the Department of Education. Given your point, how much of this funding was dedicated to research? Even if $500 million (its much more, but I digress) has been invested in research since 1980, this does not negate your point since the Department of Education does more than advancing academic achievement? Each state has its own rules for education. The Department of Education mostly funds programs based on federal law, but they can only regulate state's activities they’re breaking federal law, you can't solely blame the department for failures of multiple state governments.

WalterBright 3mo ago
Is there any evidence that the education research has been of any benefit to educational results? The dollars spent is not evidence of accomplishment.
- watwut 3mo ago
  Frankly, yes.
  - WalterBright 3mo ago
    yes as in ... ?