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> although they are on the cusp of peaking their use That’s a really nice way of saying “their usage is currently at an all time high and will go up further”.

> although they are on the cusp of peaking their use That’s a really nice way of saying “their usage is currently at an all time high and will go up further”. They don’t get to take credit for a potential future action.

triceratops 3mo ago
I think you've made up your mind regardless of facts or data.
- kortilla 3mo ago
  I was the only one who provided any in this thread. You should read up on it!
dghlsakjg 3mo ago
Their carbon emissions in 2025 were lower than 2024. The peak was years ago. Same is true of coal usage. So no, their usage is not at an all time high. It is below the high and on trend to continue falling. They can take credit for past and current actions that are part of a long term plan that includes future action.
- kortilla 3mo ago
  Their coal as a source is still on the way up in total tons burned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China Carbon declining from car usage switching to electric and moving to more efficient fuel plants is the decrease you’re thinking of. Coal is still growing there, but the upside is it’s growing slightly slower than renewables so at least as a percentage it’s declining. Unfortunately that just means their demand increased YoY so they had to build both dirty and clean energy. This view makes it obvious because coal is at the bottom of the stack: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:China-electricity-prod-source-stacked.svg#/media/File:China-electricity-prod-source-stacked.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:China-electricity-pr...
  - dghlsakjg 3mo ago
    Read your own source, it directly refutes what you are saying: "In 2025, China's coal-fired power generation dropped by 1.9%, the first decrease since 2015, despite its energy demands has increased by 5% during that same year. According to Wood Mackenzie, the drop was attributed to a rapid increase in new non-fossil generation that has "finally outpaced demand growth", while coal plants had been operating at lower utilisation rates and being used more for grid flexibility and peak demand rather than baseload generation." The graph you linked to conveniently ends right at peak coal consumption. If you go find the data for the last two years that are missing from that graph, coal consumption has been reduced. You are all over this thread shitting on China unconditionally. We get it, you don't like China. But when your own sources disprove the point you are trying to make, it might be time to re-evaluate your position and probably the news sources that dictated that position to you. What was correct a decade ago, is very much false today, and the trend line is accelerating away from your feelings.
    - kortilla 3mo ago
      I’m not shitting on China and that’s a red herring. I’m shitting on people who are praising China for being the #1 emitter who rapidly grew emissions long after the west realized how bad climate change was and was trying to correct them. China actively built coal and continues to build coal fired generation far beyond the rest of the world. The fact that the public charts are missing the recent decline is my mistake. I don’t hate China, I hate people that pretend to care about the environment that glaze China when it’s very clear China optimized for its own citizens in the face of the west trying to grapple with climate change and is only now showing some signs of pivot with solar being cheap enough. >What was correct a decade ago, is very much false today, and the trend line is accelerating away from your feelings. I’m the one that gave a trend line. Your response was that it has slightly declined at the very end and the chart isn’t up to date. I don’t think you know what a trend line is. Put your additional year or two on the end and it will just look like every other slight reprieve. Draw an actual, you know, moving average or anything else that establishes a “trend” and you’ll see China is not reacting to climate change very quickly.

triceratops 3mo ago

I think you've made up your mind regardless of facts or data.

kortilla 3mo ago
I was the only one who provided any in this thread. You should read up on it!

dghlsakjg 3mo ago

Their carbon emissions in 2025 were lower than 2024. The peak was years ago. Same is true of coal usage. So no, their usage is not at an all time high. It is below the high and on trend to continue falling. They can take credit for past and current actions that are part of a long term plan that includes future action.

kortilla 3mo ago
Their coal as a source is still on the way up in total tons burned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China Carbon declining from car usage switching to electric and moving to more efficient fuel plants is the decrease you’re thinking of. Coal is still growing there, but the upside is it’s growing slightly slower than renewables so at least as a percentage it’s declining. Unfortunately that just means their demand increased YoY so they had to build both dirty and clean energy. This view makes it obvious because coal is at the bottom of the stack: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:China-electricity-prod-source-stacked.svg#/media/File:China-electricity-prod-source-stacked.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:China-electricity-pr...
- dghlsakjg 3mo ago
  Read your own source, it directly refutes what you are saying: "In 2025, China's coal-fired power generation dropped by 1.9%, the first decrease since 2015, despite its energy demands has increased by 5% during that same year. According to Wood Mackenzie, the drop was attributed to a rapid increase in new non-fossil generation that has "finally outpaced demand growth", while coal plants had been operating at lower utilisation rates and being used more for grid flexibility and peak demand rather than baseload generation." The graph you linked to conveniently ends right at peak coal consumption. If you go find the data for the last two years that are missing from that graph, coal consumption has been reduced. You are all over this thread shitting on China unconditionally. We get it, you don't like China. But when your own sources disprove the point you are trying to make, it might be time to re-evaluate your position and probably the news sources that dictated that position to you. What was correct a decade ago, is very much false today, and the trend line is accelerating away from your feelings.
  - kortilla 3mo ago
    I’m not shitting on China and that’s a red herring. I’m shitting on people who are praising China for being the #1 emitter who rapidly grew emissions long after the west realized how bad climate change was and was trying to correct them. China actively built coal and continues to build coal fired generation far beyond the rest of the world. The fact that the public charts are missing the recent decline is my mistake. I don’t hate China, I hate people that pretend to care about the environment that glaze China when it’s very clear China optimized for its own citizens in the face of the west trying to grapple with climate change and is only now showing some signs of pivot with solar being cheap enough. >What was correct a decade ago, is very much false today, and the trend line is accelerating away from your feelings. I’m the one that gave a trend line. Your response was that it has slightly declined at the very end and the chart isn’t up to date. I don’t think you know what a trend line is. Put your additional year or two on the end and it will just look like every other slight reprieve. Draw an actual, you know, moving average or anything else that establishes a “trend” and you’ll see China is not reacting to climate change very quickly.