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This is good. But unfortunately it doesn't mean the Flock cameras will be removed because the city doesn't own them. Flock does. And Flock will likely want to k
by superkuh 3mo ago
This is good. But unfortunately it doesn't mean the Flock cameras will be removed because the city doesn't own them. Flock does. And Flock will likely want to keep them there. In other cities when the contract is canceled or let expire Flock prevented those cities from removing the cameras. Some had to resort to covering them with trash bags because they could not legally remove them. This happened in Dayton, Ohio and many other cities. https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/cities-covering-flock-surveillance-cameras-with-trash-bags/ https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/cities-covering-flock-surv...
> "Some locals have taken matters into their own hands by dismantling Flock cameras and covering them with trash bags"
This techcrunch article incorrectly characterizes this need and required behavior as something done by random citizens. But it is actually the cities themselves having to resort to it, totally officially and legally, because of Flock behaving badly.
- srameshc 3mo agoThanks !! It is so easy to assume that ending contract means turning off the cameras. Hopefully ciities can fight back harder for them to remove them, specially when people don't want that surveillance.
- bombcar 3mo agoIt could also mean "we get the cameras for free now ..."
- bdavbdav 3mo agoPresumably the license to surveil the city is extended to flock by the city? Presumably they should be able to compel them to disable them, and provide proof of this (whether they’re trusted or not…)
- kortilla 3mo agoI think the problem is that people are allowed to set up cameras of public spaces without requiring any “license to surveil”.
- cucumber3732842 3mo agoI assure you that if I slapped a camera on city infrastructure they would absolutely find some license or permission that I don't have and threaten me with a million+ dollar fine over it.
- nemomarx 3mo agoare they on land flock owns though? I don't think I could go put up a camera on city infrastructure like traffic lights without their permission. does flock buy a lot of little permissions to install and power their cameras or something?
- logancbrown 3mo agoMaking recording in public require a license is a very easy way to cut free speech and document wrong-doing of a system.
- buzer 3mo agoAren't the cameras on city's land or did city lease the land to Flock? If they are on city's land couldn't city require that Flock removes their stuff from city's property or city will do it on Flock's expense?
- MengerSponge 3mo agoI've seen videos of flock cameras installed improperly (missing a breakaway device) right next to roads. The city must be able to remove unsafe devices! https://highways.dot.gov/safety/local-rural/maintenance-signs-and-sign-supports/iv-sign-supports https://highways.dot.gov/safety/local-rural/maintenance-sign...
- bko 3mo agoI don't know, I'd prefer cops have access to technology that helps them apprehend criminals and enforce the law. Better audits and accountability are the solution, not removing technology.
- hightrix 3mo agoI do know. I do not want to live in a society that is under 24/7 surveillance. Of course, if the cops can watch everything you do all the time, there will be less crime. But that is not a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
- annoyingnoob 3mo ago> if the cops can watch everything you do all the time, there will be less crime I disagree there. If cops watch us at all times then more crimes will be prosecuted, think they'll just sit bored with nothing happening? They will find things, real or not. The reality is that crime is way down, we do not need more enforcement. Leave us alone already. https://www.opencrime.us/years https://www.opencrime.us/years
- bko 3mo agoWhat planet do you live on? Go to a low crime neighborhood. Cops are super friendly and basically spend their day happily helping old ladies cross the street or getting cats down from trees. If you think cops like cracking heads and dealing with petty crime that they'll just invent otherwise and use to harass people, you're out of your mind. You really need to get out more.
- MiloLeo 3mo agoI could show you 10,000 yt videos that show there are plenty of cops that abuse power and harass.
- bko 3mo agoPolice body cameras have completely dispelled this notion and are a god-send to the vast majority of police officers that want to do good work. So much so the left has turned against them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP4_2soVZe0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP4_2soVZe0