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> The travel advisory is because people overthrew the government recently, which is a different problem than the ordinary crime we're talking about. It feels l

> The travel advisory is because people overthrew the government recently, which is a different problem than the ordinary crime we're talking about. It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. > The homicide rate across Bangladesh is just over 2.0 per 100k. That's only a bit higher than Canada, a vastly richer country. One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats.

rayiner 3mo ago
> It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. Your thesis is that poverty causes crime. I'm pointing out that many poor countries have low crime rates. The existence of political dysfunction isn't a rebuttal, it's an attempt to change the subject to something else. > One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats. Homicides are thoroughly investigated in almost every country that has a government.
- ceejayoz 3mo ago
  > I'm pointing out that many poor countries have low crime rates. "We're very safe, we just violently overthrow the shitty government a lot." (And I'd note you're conflating low crime rates and low reported crime rates.) > Homicides are thoroughly investigated in almost every country that has a government. People get away with homicides more when governments have less capacity to effectively investigate the questionable deaths. Not every homicide is a public shooting; some are "she fell down the stairs".
  - rayiner 3mo ago
    > "We're very safe, we just violently overthrow the shitty government a lot." Basically. Religious and political conflicts that cause people to overthrow their government are unrelated to why people rob and kill their neighbors. > People get away with homicides more when governments have less capacity to effectively investigate the questionable deaths. Homicide rates are studied by the UN, which does a lot of work to produce numbers that can be compared across countries: https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-stud....
    - ceejayoz 3mo ago
      > Religious and political conflicts that cause people to overthrow their government are unrelated to why people rob and kill their neighbors. Religious and political conflicts often literally start that way. > Homicide rates are studied by the UN, which does a lot of work to produce numbers that can be compared across countries… And they'll very openly tell you it's tough to do. For example, https://data.unodc.org/datareport/hom-victim https://data.unodc.org/datareport/hom-victim. Note, for example, that we have gender-based differentiation for US stats, but not for Bangladesh, which well illustrates my point. https://imgur.com/a/oc9yiuN https://imgur.com/a/oc9yiuN Even in the US we have disappearances that never get resolved. Or cases where there were dozens of witnesses but no one saw anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

rayiner 3mo ago

> It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. Your thesis is that poverty causes crime. I'm pointing out that many poor countries have low crime rates. The existence of political dysfunction isn't a rebuttal, it's an attempt to change the subject to something else. > One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats. Homicides are thoroughly investigated in almost every country that has a government.

ceejayoz 3mo ago
> I'm pointing out that many poor countries have low crime rates. "We're very safe, we just violently overthrow the shitty government a lot." (And I'd note you're conflating low crime rates and low reported crime rates.) > Homicides are thoroughly investigated in almost every country that has a government. People get away with homicides more when governments have less capacity to effectively investigate the questionable deaths. Not every homicide is a public shooting; some are "she fell down the stairs".
- rayiner 3mo ago
  > "We're very safe, we just violently overthrow the shitty government a lot." Basically. Religious and political conflicts that cause people to overthrow their government are unrelated to why people rob and kill their neighbors. > People get away with homicides more when governments have less capacity to effectively investigate the questionable deaths. Homicide rates are studied by the UN, which does a lot of work to produce numbers that can be compared across countries: https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-stud....
  - ceejayoz 3mo ago
    > Religious and political conflicts that cause people to overthrow their government are unrelated to why people rob and kill their neighbors. Religious and political conflicts often literally start that way. > Homicide rates are studied by the UN, which does a lot of work to produce numbers that can be compared across countries… And they'll very openly tell you it's tough to do. For example, https://data.unodc.org/datareport/hom-victim https://data.unodc.org/datareport/hom-victim. Note, for example, that we have gender-based differentiation for US stats, but not for Bangladesh, which well illustrates my point. https://imgur.com/a/oc9yiuN https://imgur.com/a/oc9yiuN Even in the US we have disappearances that never get resolved. Or cases where there were dozens of witnesses but no one saw anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy