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I am genuinely fascinated by this. I don’t like piling on especially with security vulnerabilities, but man how many red flags do you need to ignore? They won

I am genuinely fascinated by this. I don’t like piling on especially with security vulnerabilities, but man how many red flags do you need to ignore? They won’t stop abusing us until we stop using their products.

CamperBob2 3mo ago
I think my first clue was when their CEO hired a bunch of teenage hackers to sack the government and exfiltrate all our data. I didn't really need a second clue.
- 27183 3mo ago
  It's not a subtle pattern.
- bckr 3mo ago
  Most people don’t know about that because they live in an information bubble handcrafted by the oligarchs.
- DaiPlusPlus 3mo ago
  My first clue was when he libelled the diver during the Thailand thing in 2018; it was all downhill from there. ...it was quite the sting because I bought a Tesla car only 2 weeks prior to that.
MisterTea 3mo ago
> They won’t stop abusing us until we stop using their products. I don't use AI at all in my daily life. Work however will demand you use it. AI is not here to help people.
- CamperBob2 3mo ago
  Nothing about this has anything to do with AI. It has to do with Musk's ethical and engineering standards, or the lack thereof.
  - otabdeveloper4 3mo ago
    AI is created by big tech stealing other people's data. Yes, this has everything to do with AI - stealing data is a foundational feature of the technology.
    - shuwix 3mo ago
      It's more about billions at stake and the nature of AI business. You either score big, or go belly up with diminishing funding.
      - munk-a 3mo ago
        Well let's be fair here - you either go belly up with diminishing funding or get bailed out (maybe by the government, maybe by private funds that themselves expect to be bailed out by the government). There currently is no path towards profitability, it's just a question of whether you can grab funding before it dries up.
        shuwix 3mo ago
        Let's be fair, "no path to profitability" was common topic around Facebook IPO because people didn't undertand that free service means that their personal data is the product. Viable AI companies will one get to profit. Firms layoff qualified people because AI is much cheaper. Now there's no easy turning back, so if AI service increase prices by 50%, well you don't have option.
  - stronglikedan 3mo ago
    [flagged]
    - anderber 3mo ago
      By this standard, you should never trust a directory. Since it will push your env secrets.
- flexagoon 3mo ago
  Not gonna argue about the utility of AI, but isn't the statement "AI is not here to help people" completely meaningless? AI itself is not "here" for anything; the problem is big tech doing big tech shit as always, not the current technology they're doing it with.
  - coldtea 3mo ago
    Doesn't matter. Big tech is not changing anytime soon. So if we see AI, we shouldn't see as some random tool, but as something in their hands.
  - Timon3 3mo ago
    Isn't this objection itself completely meaningless? I'll assume GP wasn't referring to AI having conscious thoughts and deciding to "be here" for a specific purpose, but as technology introduced to achieve an effect. For example: seat belts are here to help people (by reducing the severity of injuries & the likelihood of fatalities).
- ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
  > AI is not here to help people. True, but it isn't here to not help people, either. It's a spanner. Who wields the spanner, makes all the difference. We've spent the last couple of decades, cultivating a huge crop of ultimate scumbag billionaires, with comically exaggerated sociopathy, and that has filtered down to almost every level of society. They are treated as gods, these days (they certainly think of themselves that way). It still shocks me (but really shouldn't), on a daily basis, to encounter regular folks, interacting in stores and restaurants, or driving on roads, that mirror the values systems exemplified by our billionaires. Our politicians act that way, and one of their biggest selling points, is normalizing sociopathy (not just the US, either).
  - Groxx 3mo ago
    It's a spanner where every quarter turn costs noticeable money. Which directly funds behavior like this. The tool analogy is intentionally minimizing, and doesn't capture just how different rented tools with constant surveillance are.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
      Doesn’t absolve the spanner-wielder from responsibility, though. We live in an age, where the mere thought of personal Responsibility is terrifying.
      - Groxx 3mo ago
        Yes, I mean it in the sense that the spanner itself and who the spanner funnels money to is so bad that anyone using it has automatically accepted themselves being that bad. Unlike most tools (which the tool analogy leans on heavily), it's very much not an impartial tool, there is no such thing as "using it responsibly" when you're paying Musk.
  - sylos 3mo ago
    Wasn't ai introduced so replace people? It's not the spanner, it's the car and we're the horses
zelphirkalt 3mo ago
Lazy or incapable people will do almost anything once it is normalized behavior, which vibe coding has become, to avoid having to do actual work. Even if there were cryptominers running, eating up 80% of their cores and stealing electricity, they would still let it happen. It's not their money or hardware being spent.

CamperBob2 3mo ago

I think my first clue was when their CEO hired a bunch of teenage hackers to sack the government and exfiltrate all our data. I didn't really need a second clue.

27183 3mo ago
It's not a subtle pattern.
bckr 3mo ago
Most people don’t know about that because they live in an information bubble handcrafted by the oligarchs.
DaiPlusPlus 3mo ago
My first clue was when he libelled the diver during the Thailand thing in 2018; it was all downhill from there. ...it was quite the sting because I bought a Tesla car only 2 weeks prior to that.

MisterTea 3mo ago

> They won’t stop abusing us until we stop using their products. I don't use AI at all in my daily life. Work however will demand you use it. AI is not here to help people.

CamperBob2 3mo ago
Nothing about this has anything to do with AI. It has to do with Musk's ethical and engineering standards, or the lack thereof.
- otabdeveloper4 3mo ago
  AI is created by big tech stealing other people's data. Yes, this has everything to do with AI - stealing data is a foundational feature of the technology.
  - shuwix 3mo ago
    It's more about billions at stake and the nature of AI business. You either score big, or go belly up with diminishing funding.
    - munk-a 3mo ago
      Well let's be fair here - you either go belly up with diminishing funding or get bailed out (maybe by the government, maybe by private funds that themselves expect to be bailed out by the government). There currently is no path towards profitability, it's just a question of whether you can grab funding before it dries up.
      - shuwix 3mo ago
        Let's be fair, "no path to profitability" was common topic around Facebook IPO because people didn't undertand that free service means that their personal data is the product. Viable AI companies will one get to profit. Firms layoff qualified people because AI is much cheaper. Now there's no easy turning back, so if AI service increase prices by 50%, well you don't have option.
- stronglikedan 3mo ago
  [flagged]
  - anderber 3mo ago
    By this standard, you should never trust a directory. Since it will push your env secrets.
flexagoon 3mo ago
Not gonna argue about the utility of AI, but isn't the statement "AI is not here to help people" completely meaningless? AI itself is not "here" for anything; the problem is big tech doing big tech shit as always, not the current technology they're doing it with.
- coldtea 3mo ago
  Doesn't matter. Big tech is not changing anytime soon. So if we see AI, we shouldn't see as some random tool, but as something in their hands.
- Timon3 3mo ago
  Isn't this objection itself completely meaningless? I'll assume GP wasn't referring to AI having conscious thoughts and deciding to "be here" for a specific purpose, but as technology introduced to achieve an effect. For example: seat belts are here to help people (by reducing the severity of injuries & the likelihood of fatalities).
ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
> AI is not here to help people. True, but it isn't here to not help people, either. It's a spanner. Who wields the spanner, makes all the difference. We've spent the last couple of decades, cultivating a huge crop of ultimate scumbag billionaires, with comically exaggerated sociopathy, and that has filtered down to almost every level of society. They are treated as gods, these days (they certainly think of themselves that way). It still shocks me (but really shouldn't), on a daily basis, to encounter regular folks, interacting in stores and restaurants, or driving on roads, that mirror the values systems exemplified by our billionaires. Our politicians act that way, and one of their biggest selling points, is normalizing sociopathy (not just the US, either).
- Groxx 3mo ago
  It's a spanner where every quarter turn costs noticeable money. Which directly funds behavior like this. The tool analogy is intentionally minimizing, and doesn't capture just how different rented tools with constant surveillance are.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
    Doesn’t absolve the spanner-wielder from responsibility, though. We live in an age, where the mere thought of personal Responsibility is terrifying.
    - Groxx 3mo ago
      Yes, I mean it in the sense that the spanner itself and who the spanner funnels money to is so bad that anyone using it has automatically accepted themselves being that bad. Unlike most tools (which the tool analogy leans on heavily), it's very much not an impartial tool, there is no such thing as "using it responsibly" when you're paying Musk.
- sylos 3mo ago
  Wasn't ai introduced so replace people? It's not the spanner, it's the car and we're the horses

zelphirkalt 3mo ago

Lazy or incapable people will do almost anything once it is normalized behavior, which vibe coding has become, to avoid having to do actual work. Even if there were cryptominers running, eating up 80% of their cores and stealing electricity, they would still let it happen. It's not their money or hardware being spent.