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-Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. -Randos can already observe your every movement

-Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. -I agree that it would be a better world if there were no drone surveillance, however, in a world where there is drone surveillance--i.e., the world in which we exist--I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen.

vrganj 3mo ago
> -Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. I've gone through great lengths to ensure it can't, I'd rather not have the government undo all that effort. > -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. > -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it for you and send you a nice notification. > I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon.
- buellerbueller 3mo ago
  >> -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from >the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. > >Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. I strenuously object. But that's not this conversation. It's way upstream, as the SCOTUS has already decided that there is no public expectation of privacy. >> -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it >physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber >can already stake out a house. > >Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared >to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it >for you and send you a nice notification. A rando can send a drone or a fleet of drones to do the same surveillance that you are worried about here. Perhaps you are just really anti-drone? >> I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided >panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. > >I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be >changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon. There is no such thing as an infinite-sided panopticon. Definitionally, a panopticon is one-sided.

vrganj 3mo ago

> -Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. I've gone through great lengths to ensure it can't, I'd rather not have the government undo all that effort. > -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. > -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it for you and send you a nice notification. > I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon.

buellerbueller 3mo ago
>> -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from >the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. > >Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. I strenuously object. But that's not this conversation. It's way upstream, as the SCOTUS has already decided that there is no public expectation of privacy. >> -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it >physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber >can already stake out a house. > >Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared >to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it >for you and send you a nice notification. A rando can send a drone or a fleet of drones to do the same surveillance that you are worried about here. Perhaps you are just really anti-drone? >> I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided >panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. > >I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be >changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon. There is no such thing as an infinite-sided panopticon. Definitionally, a panopticon is one-sided.