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I can't help but wonder what skin color those young men had that made the police suspicious in the first place...
by vrganj 4mo ago
I can't help but wonder what skin color those young men had that made the police suspicious in the first place...
- lazide 4mo agoWell, everyone knows white boys can’t jump.
- stronglikedan 4mo ago[flagged]
- vrganj 4mo agoThanks! It's important to be aware of how unjust an organization who's origins are groups that hunt for escaped slaves is, and how fucked up the way they treat black people is to this very day.
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- rationalist 4mo ago[flagged]
- EdwardDiego 4mo agoThat they're well aware of the well-attested and evidenced prejudices within society in the wide, and law enforcement in the narrow, that are sadly still prevalent in the USA? What does your oddly aggressive reply say about you? Other than your username is at best, aspirational, and good luck with that.
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- ceejayoz 4mo agoThat they're not willfully blind to the reality we live in?
- akimbostrawman 4mo agoYou mean the reality of using patterns and data points such as statistics to determine likelihood of danger? Like you and me do every day even if you don't notice? Would the same have happened if they where two women which are statistically less likely to be a danger than men?
- ceejayoz 4mo agoSomehow, when it's dark, black and white motorists commit similar levels of traffic offenses, but when it's light out, there's a disparity. https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-reduces-racial-bias-traffic-stops https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-redu... That's a pattern/data point/statistic, for sure, but I'd happily assert it supports my point effectively.
- pandaman 4mo ago>when it's dark, black and white motorists commit similar levels of traffic offenses The article you linked does not support this claim. It says the proportion of blacks stopped is less in the dark around 7pm.
- ceejayoz 4mo agoRead more closely, especially the bit about how they used daylight savings as a control, as it suddenly changes the written time of the incident but not the actual darkness levels at that time.
- pandaman 4mo agoCan you just quote the part of the article that says something to the effect of "when it's dark, black and white motorists commit similar levels of traffic offenses"?
- vrganj 4mo agoThat I'm aware of how big of a problem racial discrimination is in policing? > Black Californians are more than twice as likely to be searched as white Californians, at about 20 percent versus 8 percent of all stops https://www.ppic.org/publication/racial-disparities-in-law-enforcement-stops/ https://www.ppic.org/publication/racial-disparities-in-law-e...
- ceejayoz 4mo agoYou'll get people going "well that's because they do more crimes" to this. IMO, the toughest study to argue with is https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-reduces-racial-bias-traffic-stops https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-redu... They studied traffic stops around the daylight savings transition, which is a perfect natural control for "could the cops see the car occupants?" When DST switches, the on-paper racial disparity moves by an hour. The Earth's orbit, obviously, does not.
- rationalist 4mo agoInteresting, thank you. Sure, some number of police officers are racist. I've never denied that, and it's sad, as no one should be racist. In my experience, the ones who mention race first, are usually racists themselves.
- ceejayoz 4mo ago> I've never denied that, and it's sad, as no one should be racist. > In my experience, the ones who mention race first, are usually racists themselves. How does one address racism without first mentioning its existence?
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