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And this is the perfect demonstration of what why police shouldn’t have access to this technology. Police should be made to get out of their cars and make some

And this is the perfect demonstration of what why police shouldn’t have access to this technology. Police should be made to get out of their cars and make some relationships with the community to get information. They should be so trusted by the community that private citizens willingly give them tips and security footage to aid investigations. This surveillance tech is a band-aid on the effects of crime rather than a solution to the root cause. So you catch the criminals and put them in jail. Then what? What prevents more people from resorting to crime? What prevents recidivism? Our government as a whole should reduce crime by performing the most effective crime reduction strategies: eliminating the tuition cost of education, ending poverty [1] and disastrously high income inequality, implementing strong universal healthcare [2], reforming the prison system so that it provides opportunities to rehabilitate rather than raw punishment, enshrining employee protections like paid family leave into law so that kids can be raised by their family rather than being under-supervised while their parents work two shifts a day. [1] With the excess wealth the US generates, ending poverty is trivial. Suggested Google search: “daily cost of Iran war.” [2] Doesn’t even cost money, it saves money.

rayiner 4mo ago
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- Grombobulous 4mo ago
  I think this is basically a cherry-picking and oversimplification of the situation. For one thing, income inequality in Brazil is significantly higher than in Bangladesh. Also remember that I was speaking in the context of the wealthiest country on earth. We could perhaps assume that Brazil may not have the resources to end poverty and crime, but the USA definitely does.
  - rayiner 4mo ago
    > Also remember that I was speaking in the context of the wealthiest country on earth. We could perhaps assume that Brazil may not have the resources to end poverty and crime, but the USA definitely does. That doesn't matter. If crime is caused by poverty, like you hypothesize, then poor countries like Bangladesh should have astronomical crime rates. But they don't.
    - ceejayoz 4mo ago
      https://travel.state.gov/en/international-travel/travel-advisories/bangladesh.html https://travel.state.gov/en/international-travel/travel-advi... > Travel advisory - People's Republic of Bangladesh: Level 3 - Reconsider travel And a little spot of Level 4: > Do not travel to the Chittagong Hill Tracts due to unrest, crime, terrorism, and kidnapping. This area includes Khagrachari, Rangamati, and Bandarban Hill Tracts districts. Do not travel to this area for any reason.
      - rayiner 4mo ago
        The travel advisory is because people overthrew the government recently, which is a different problem than the ordinary crime we're talking about. And the Chittagong Hill Tracts are the Bangladeshi equivalent of Indian reservations. Neither supports the contention that poverty causes crime. The homicide rate across Bangladesh is just over 2.0 per 100k. That's only a bit higher than Canada, a vastly richer country.
        ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > The travel advisory is because people overthrew the government recently, which is a different problem than the ordinary crime we're talking about. It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. > The homicide rate across Bangladesh is just over 2.0 per 100k. That's only a bit higher than Canada, a vastly richer country. One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats.
        rayiner 4mo ago
        > It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. Your thesis is that poverty causes crime. I'm pointing out that many poor countries have low crime rates. The existence of political dysfunction isn't a rebuttal, it's an attempt to change the subject to something else. > One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats. Homicides are thoroughly investigated in almost every country that has a government.
ryandrake 4mo ago
> Police should be made to get out of their cars and make some relationships with the community to get information. They should be so trusted by the community that private citizens willingly give them tips and security footage to aid investigations. Police should be part of the community they are policing, not some invading force brought in and hovering over it. When the police live in the same place they are policing and know that community as neighbors, they'll treat it like home and not like some battlefield that they were shipped to, to fight enemies.

rayiner 4mo ago

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Grombobulous 4mo ago
I think this is basically a cherry-picking and oversimplification of the situation. For one thing, income inequality in Brazil is significantly higher than in Bangladesh. Also remember that I was speaking in the context of the wealthiest country on earth. We could perhaps assume that Brazil may not have the resources to end poverty and crime, but the USA definitely does.
- rayiner 4mo ago
  > Also remember that I was speaking in the context of the wealthiest country on earth. We could perhaps assume that Brazil may not have the resources to end poverty and crime, but the USA definitely does. That doesn't matter. If crime is caused by poverty, like you hypothesize, then poor countries like Bangladesh should have astronomical crime rates. But they don't.
  - ceejayoz 4mo ago
    https://travel.state.gov/en/international-travel/travel-advisories/bangladesh.html https://travel.state.gov/en/international-travel/travel-advi... > Travel advisory - People's Republic of Bangladesh: Level 3 - Reconsider travel And a little spot of Level 4: > Do not travel to the Chittagong Hill Tracts due to unrest, crime, terrorism, and kidnapping. This area includes Khagrachari, Rangamati, and Bandarban Hill Tracts districts. Do not travel to this area for any reason.
    - rayiner 4mo ago
      The travel advisory is because people overthrew the government recently, which is a different problem than the ordinary crime we're talking about. And the Chittagong Hill Tracts are the Bangladeshi equivalent of Indian reservations. Neither supports the contention that poverty causes crime. The homicide rate across Bangladesh is just over 2.0 per 100k. That's only a bit higher than Canada, a vastly richer country.
      - ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > The travel advisory is because people overthrew the government recently, which is a different problem than the ordinary crime we're talking about. It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. > The homicide rate across Bangladesh is just over 2.0 per 100k. That's only a bit higher than Canada, a vastly richer country. One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats.
        rayiner 4mo ago
        > It feels like that's a tiny challenge to your thesis. Your thesis is that poverty causes crime. I'm pointing out that many poor countries have low crime rates. The existence of political dysfunction isn't a rebuttal, it's an attempt to change the subject to something else. > One wonders if their homicide investigatory capabilities are comparable enough to compare such stats. Homicides are thoroughly investigated in almost every country that has a government.

ryandrake 4mo ago

> Police should be made to get out of their cars and make some relationships with the community to get information. They should be so trusted by the community that private citizens willingly give them tips and security footage to aid investigations. Police should be part of the community they are policing, not some invading force brought in and hovering over it. When the police live in the same place they are policing and know that community as neighbors, they'll treat it like home and not like some battlefield that they were shipped to, to fight enemies.