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I think the value of having the data on public spaces publicly available far outweighs the risk of privately held data, or editorializaed data from public space

I think the value of having the data on public spaces publicly available far outweighs the risk of privately held data, or editorializaed data from public spaces. Also: You're welcome to disable push notifications if you don't want a big mac ad. (I agree that advertising is a cancer.) Also, 2: What right should the government have to capture public data and then keep it from the public?

vrganj 3mo ago
The idea of Meta being able to track my every move creeps me the fuck out, sorry. What right does the government have to give my data to randos? The public that's captured is not the same as the public that accesses the data. Just imagine the creepy implications. Imagine what stalkers could do if they could follow a woman's every movement. Imagine robbers staking out houses from the comfort of their couch. The government has an obligation to protect the data it has on its citizens, not to just give out willy-nilly. By your logic, public hospitals should share your medical files publicly. The solution would be for less data to be collected in the first place, not to make the data leak as dystopian as possible.
- buellerbueller 3mo ago
  -Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. -I agree that it would be a better world if there were no drone surveillance, however, in a world where there is drone surveillance--i.e., the world in which we exist--I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen.
  - vrganj 3mo ago
    > -Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. I've gone through great lengths to ensure it can't, I'd rather not have the government undo all that effort. > -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. > -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it for you and send you a nice notification. > I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon.
    - buellerbueller 3mo ago
      >> -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from >the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. > >Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. I strenuously object. But that's not this conversation. It's way upstream, as the SCOTUS has already decided that there is no public expectation of privacy. >> -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it >physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber >can already stake out a house. > >Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared >to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it >for you and send you a nice notification. A rando can send a drone or a fleet of drones to do the same surveillance that you are worried about here. Perhaps you are just really anti-drone? >> I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided >panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. > >I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be >changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon. There is no such thing as an infinite-sided panopticon. Definitionally, a panopticon is one-sided.
Gigachad 3mo ago
The government is different from a person. I’m ok with cctv being recorded and stored for x days with protocols and laws that restrict who can access it and for what purposes. With audit logs and penalties for misuse.
- nozzlegear 3mo ago
  On the other hand, I'm not okay with this precisely because it's the government.

vrganj 3mo ago

The idea of Meta being able to track my every move creeps me the fuck out, sorry. What right does the government have to give my data to randos? The public that's captured is not the same as the public that accesses the data. Just imagine the creepy implications. Imagine what stalkers could do if they could follow a woman's every movement. Imagine robbers staking out houses from the comfort of their couch. The government has an obligation to protect the data it has on its citizens, not to just give out willy-nilly. By your logic, public hospitals should share your medical files publicly. The solution would be for less data to be collected in the first place, not to make the data leak as dystopian as possible.

buellerbueller 3mo ago
-Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. -I agree that it would be a better world if there were no drone surveillance, however, in a world where there is drone surveillance--i.e., the world in which we exist--I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen.
- vrganj 3mo ago
  > -Meta can already track your every move; that ship has sailed. Not sure why it is relevant to this discussion. I've gone through great lengths to ensure it can't, I'd rather not have the government undo all that effort. > -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. > -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber can already stake out a house. Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it for you and send you a nice notification. > I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon.
  - buellerbueller 3mo ago
    >> -Your medical data is private, whereas this is a discussion about data from >the public sphere, where there is no legal expectation of privacy. > >Maybe there should be? There is in other parts of the world. I strenuously object. But that's not this conversation. It's way upstream, as the SCOTUS has already decided that there is no public expectation of privacy. >> -Randos can already observe your every movement, They just have to do it >physically. A stalker can already follow a woman's public movements. A robber >can already stake out a house. > >Doing that in person is a much different thing in terms of commitment compared >to doing it from the comfort of your couch, or hell, having an AI model do it >for you and send you a nice notification. A rando can send a drone or a fleet of drones to do the same surveillance that you are worried about here. Perhaps you are just really anti-drone? >> I would prefer public data available to all, rather than a one-sided >panopticon. With the former, at least we can watch the watchmen. > >I would rather limit access to a power that can - at least theoretically - be >changed democratically, instead of having an infinite-sided panopticon. There is no such thing as an infinite-sided panopticon. Definitionally, a panopticon is one-sided.

Gigachad 3mo ago

The government is different from a person. I’m ok with cctv being recorded and stored for x days with protocols and laws that restrict who can access it and for what purposes. With audit logs and penalties for misuse.

nozzlegear 3mo ago
On the other hand, I'm not okay with this precisely because it's the government.