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I mean, they evaluated and left? What should they have done, creeped on them as they played?
by lazide 3mo ago
I mean, they evaluated and left?
What should they have done, creeped on them as they played?
- vrganj 3mo agoI can't help but wonder what skin color those young men had that made the police suspicious in the first place...
- lazide 3mo agoWell, everyone knows white boys can’t jump.
- stronglikedan 3mo ago[flagged]
- vrganj 3mo agoThanks! It's important to be aware of how unjust an organization who's origins are groups that hunt for escaped slaves is, and how fucked up the way they treat black people is to this very day.
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- rationalist 3mo ago[flagged]
- EdwardDiego 3mo agoThat they're well aware of the well-attested and evidenced prejudices within society in the wide, and law enforcement in the narrow, that are sadly still prevalent in the USA? What does your oddly aggressive reply say about you? Other than your username is at best, aspirational, and good luck with that.
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- ceejayoz 3mo agoThat they're not willfully blind to the reality we live in?
- akimbostrawman 3mo agoYou mean the reality of using patterns and data points such as statistics to determine likelihood of danger? Like you and me do every day even if you don't notice? Would the same have happened if they where two women which are statistically less likely to be a danger than men?
- ceejayoz 3mo agoSomehow, when it's dark, black and white motorists commit similar levels of traffic offenses, but when it's light out, there's a disparity. https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-reduces-racial-bias-traffic-stops https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-redu... That's a pattern/data point/statistic, for sure, but I'd happily assert it supports my point effectively.
- pandaman 3mo ago>when it's dark, black and white motorists commit similar levels of traffic offenses The article you linked does not support this claim. It says the proportion of blacks stopped is less in the dark around 7pm.
- ceejayoz 3mo agoRead more closely, especially the bit about how they used daylight savings as a control, as it suddenly changes the written time of the incident but not the actual darkness levels at that time.
- pandaman 3mo agoCan you just quote the part of the article that says something to the effect of "when it's dark, black and white motorists commit similar levels of traffic offenses"?
- vrganj 3mo agoThat I'm aware of how big of a problem racial discrimination is in policing? > Black Californians are more than twice as likely to be searched as white Californians, at about 20 percent versus 8 percent of all stops https://www.ppic.org/publication/racial-disparities-in-law-enforcement-stops/ https://www.ppic.org/publication/racial-disparities-in-law-e...
- ceejayoz 3mo agoYou'll get people going "well that's because they do more crimes" to this. IMO, the toughest study to argue with is https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-reduces-racial-bias-traffic-stops https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2020/05/veil-darkness-redu... They studied traffic stops around the daylight savings transition, which is a perfect natural control for "could the cops see the car occupants?" When DST switches, the on-paper racial disparity moves by an hour. The Earth's orbit, obviously, does not.
- rationalist 3mo agoInteresting, thank you. Sure, some number of police officers are racist. I've never denied that, and it's sad, as no one should be racist. In my experience, the ones who mention race first, are usually racists themselves.
- ceejayoz 3mo ago> I've never denied that, and it's sad, as no one should be racist. > In my experience, the ones who mention race first, are usually racists themselves. How does one address racism without first mentioning its existence?
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- fitblipper 3mo agoThey should have never been deployed to begin with. How expensive are drones? Way less expensive than a police officer. They can be deployed at scale. You can imagine a world where every move everyone makes is tracked. If you don't think public spaces hold any 4th amendment protections, they can also see much better into private property that police officers can't see from the street. Back yard, second story windows, all angles into windows, and that is only considering if they use regular cameras, imagine when they have thermal cameras or other sensors.
- stronglikedan 3mo agoThey didn't do anything to even be "evaluated", but you already knew that...
- dannyw 3mo agomy opinion: we need a lot more context here. It is dystopian to have advanced and arguably “stealth in an urban environment” drones conducting surveillance for benign activities. What was the suspicion? Matching the skin colour of an APB, or something more? I’m sure most people have no problems with drones being used for hot pursuit, appending those charged with murder, etc; but this is highly advanced technology that deserves more scruinty and accountability.