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Yeah, until you try to launch Trackmania and its launcher needs mouse input to function.

by mort96 3mo ago

cassianoleal 3mo ago
Valve has also solved that by incorporating trackpads to the controller. I bet the PS controllers's trackpads can also be used for that.
- mort96 3mo ago
  You can't seriously argue that using a keyboard/mouse interface using the controller track pad is as nice an experience as just using a controller-focused interface. And since the Steam Machine doesn't come with a controller, I would bet that a large fraction of users will be using an xbox controller or something.
  - cassianoleal 3mo ago
    > You can't seriously argue that using a keyboard/mouse interface using the controller track pad is as nice an experience as just using a controller-focused interface. I didn't.
    - mort96 3mo ago
      Then what did you argue? What was the point of your comment? How is the problem "solved"?
      - cassianoleal 3mo ago
        The parent to my comment said: > launcher needs mouse input to function I said the trackpads solve for that. Nothing else. I didn't claim it was great, I didn't claim it was better than all alternatives, I didn't claim it works as well as a high-DPI mouse on an FPS. Whatever else you may have read on my comment was your own extrapolation.
        mort96 3mo ago
        And I'm saying trackpads don't solve that. They're a workaround, they make the game playable without a mouse, but it's not how you would design a system from the ground up to be a controller-first experience. That's the context of the conversation you jumped into.
        cassianoleal 3mo ago
        Again, I was responding to "launcher needs mouse". NOT to some wider context. Again, the extrapolation is on yourself.
        mort96 3mo ago
        And I'm saying it's not a solution which makes using the launcher as nice as an equivalent console experience. It's a workaround which makes the game technically playable.
Gigachad 3mo ago
Of course games that don’t have controller support won’t work with controller. The steam store marks this with a label / rating system. If it’s for a green mark then everything will work with a controller.
- mort96 3mo ago
  It's a game with great controller support! I play it a lot with a controller. It's just that in the PC gaming space, "controller support" doesn't necessarily mean that you can log in to the launcher and launch the game without a keyboard and mouse. The assumption is that you always have a keyboard and mouse, and some people also happen to have a controller in addition.
  - Gigachad 3mo ago
    I got a steam deck 2 years ago and I haven’t run in to any games like this. They all either skip the launcher or have a controller navigable one. I just had a look at the steam page and valve has listed a long list of usability issues with this game. I guess if it was a console they could just reject it and make the devs fix the issues. But it’s still cleanly presented to the user that there’s issues here and up to them to decide what to do.
    - mort96 3mo ago
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Yeah, until you try to launch Trackmania and its launcher needs mouse input to function.

by mort96 3mo ago

Yeah, until you try to launch Trackmania and its launcher needs mouse input to function.

Valve has also solved that by incorporating trackpads to the controller. I bet the PS controllers's trackpads can also be used for that.

mort96 3mo ago
You can't seriously argue that using a keyboard/mouse interface using the controller track pad is as nice an experience as just using a controller-focused interface. And since the Steam Machine doesn't come with a controller, I would bet that a large fraction of users will be using an xbox controller or something.
- cassianoleal 3mo ago
  > You can't seriously argue that using a keyboard/mouse interface using the controller track pad is as nice an experience as just using a controller-focused interface. I didn't.
  - mort96 3mo ago
    Then what did you argue? What was the point of your comment? How is the problem "solved"?
    - cassianoleal 3mo ago
      The parent to my comment said: > launcher needs mouse input to function I said the trackpads solve for that. Nothing else. I didn't claim it was great, I didn't claim it was better than all alternatives, I didn't claim it works as well as a high-DPI mouse on an FPS. Whatever else you may have read on my comment was your own extrapolation.
      - mort96 3mo ago
        And I'm saying trackpads don't solve that. They're a workaround, they make the game playable without a mouse, but it's not how you would design a system from the ground up to be a controller-first experience. That's the context of the conversation you jumped into.
        cassianoleal 3mo ago
        Again, I was responding to "launcher needs mouse". NOT to some wider context. Again, the extrapolation is on yourself.
        mort96 3mo ago
        And I'm saying it's not a solution which makes using the launcher as nice as an equivalent console experience. It's a workaround which makes the game technically playable.

Gigachad 3mo ago

Of course games that don’t have controller support won’t work with controller. The steam store marks this with a label / rating system. If it’s for a green mark then everything will work with a controller.

mort96 3mo ago
It's a game with great controller support! I play it a lot with a controller. It's just that in the PC gaming space, "controller support" doesn't necessarily mean that you can log in to the launcher and launch the game without a keyboard and mouse. The assumption is that you always have a keyboard and mouse, and some people also happen to have a controller in addition.
- Gigachad 3mo ago
  I got a steam deck 2 years ago and I haven’t run in to any games like this. They all either skip the launcher or have a controller navigable one. I just had a look at the steam page and valve has listed a long list of usability issues with this game. I guess if it was a console they could just reject it and make the devs fix the issues. But it’s still cleanly presented to the user that there’s issues here and up to them to decide what to do.
  - mort96 3mo ago
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