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"i'm 14 and this is deep" LLMs are mass theft of intellectual property. I didn't need them to "drive" this computer for the last ten years.

by rsoto2 3mo ago

tancop 3mo ago
"intellectual property" never existed. there is only copyright (created to make sure book publishers pay authors), patents (encourage inventors to publish their research instead of keeping it secret) and trademarks (protect buyers and the factorys reputation from counterfeit goods). they are different systems created for completely different reasons. the idea of calling them all "property" came from lobbyists who wanted to make people think they are natural rights that should be expanded and protected at all costs, instead of tools made for a specific purpose. thats how we get todays system where publishing anything even without a copyright notice gives you life plus 70 years of total exclusivity, but also if you signed a bad contract with your employer they will act like all your work belongs to them even if you did it on your own time and threaten you with lawsuits if you try and fight. its bad at protecting artists (just look at the music industry) and even worse at protecting the public. what llm vendors (not the models themselves) are doing is not really theft because you cant steal something if the original owner has it the whole time. the bad thing they actually do is train llms on everyones work and then claim copyright over the result. that is the real injustice. and its why i think open source === ethical when it comes to ai. if you take you have to give back. the only true permanent solution is a full rebalance. all "ip" rights should be for commercial use only and last 25 years or less. yes that means piracy is legal as long as you dont make money off it. unpaid royalties are a problem for real people but pirates only hurt corporations. i know what side im on.
- rsoto2 3mo ago
  It is theft. "intellectual property does not exist" -> goes on to define various legal instruments for protecting intellectual property. "you can't steal something if the original owner has it the whole time" Is this fifth grade? So if I go over to your house and trash it, it doesn't matter the house was under your possession the whole time. No the rebalance is to sue these companies into the dirt.
  - browski 3mo ago
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"i'm 14 and this is deep" LLMs are mass theft of intellectual property. I didn't need them to "drive" this computer for the last ten years.

by rsoto2 3mo ago

"i'm 14 and this is deep" LLMs are mass theft of intellectual property. I didn't need them to "drive" this computer for the last ten years.

tancop 3mo ago

"intellectual property" never existed. there is only copyright (created to make sure book publishers pay authors), patents (encourage inventors to publish their research instead of keeping it secret) and trademarks (protect buyers and the factorys reputation from counterfeit goods). they are different systems created for completely different reasons. the idea of calling them all "property" came from lobbyists who wanted to make people think they are natural rights that should be expanded and protected at all costs, instead of tools made for a specific purpose. thats how we get todays system where publishing anything even without a copyright notice gives you life plus 70 years of total exclusivity, but also if you signed a bad contract with your employer they will act like all your work belongs to them even if you did it on your own time and threaten you with lawsuits if you try and fight. its bad at protecting artists (just look at the music industry) and even worse at protecting the public. what llm vendors (not the models themselves) are doing is not really theft because you cant steal something if the original owner has it the whole time. the bad thing they actually do is train llms on everyones work and then claim copyright over the result. that is the real injustice. and its why i think open source === ethical when it comes to ai. if you take you have to give back. the only true permanent solution is a full rebalance. all "ip" rights should be for commercial use only and last 25 years or less. yes that means piracy is legal as long as you dont make money off it. unpaid royalties are a problem for real people but pirates only hurt corporations. i know what side im on.

rsoto2 3mo ago
It is theft. "intellectual property does not exist" -> goes on to define various legal instruments for protecting intellectual property. "you can't steal something if the original owner has it the whole time" Is this fifth grade? So if I go over to your house and trash it, it doesn't matter the house was under your possession the whole time. No the rebalance is to sue these companies into the dirt.
- browski 3mo ago
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