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> Can you name a product category that has truly hit a ceiling I think basically every product category has hit ceilings by now, honestly. Do you think vacuum

> Can you name a product category that has truly hit a ceiling I think basically every product category has hit ceilings by now, honestly. Do you think vacuum cleaners are significantly better at vacuuming than 10 years ago? Not really. But they pivoted to doing autonomous vacuums instead. The actual vacuum tech doesn't seem like it's getting much better though? Same with a lot of appliances. Fridges aren't really better at keeping food cold than they were 30 years ago, are they? They just have "smart home" stuff now, and they are probably much more energy efficient I guess you can look at that as "not reaching a ceiling" as an overall appliance but the actual discrete technology is not changing or improving much imo

bluegatty 4mo ago
Vacuums are nothing like what they were in the decades past - Dyson has transformed them entirely - maybe not 'every decade' but they are evolving. Go and use a fridge from 40 years ago and compare to a modern one - granted, their essential function has not really improved that much. They were much more durable before, but rudimentary. Most product categories in tech have evolved, and it's why there are leaders in most categories.
jurgenburgen 4mo ago
> Fridges aren't really better at keeping food cold than they were 30 years ago, are they? Fridges have made huge leaps in energy efficiency, they’re easily 3-4 times better at cooling your food.
- bluefirebrand 4mo ago
  That's what I'm saying though. Energy efficiency is nice, it's a good improvement, but from an end user perspective the 30 year old fridge still keeps your food just as cold. If you were from 2025 and got trapped in the 1970s and needed to keep some milk from going sour for a day, you wouldn't be thinking "damn if only these old 1970s fridges worked more efficiently. I could easily accomplish this goal with a modern fridge!" The 1970s fridge would do just fine
  - bluegatty 4mo ago
    You think that a fridge is about 'keeping food cold'? It's about ease of access, price, noise, convenience, durability, features. My folks have this fancy 2 door thing, perfectly quiet, makes the best ice you can imagine, it's hidden into the cuppboards, it's energy efficient, has these crisper things, you can see in and reach around easy, lots of space. It's a better product.

bluegatty 4mo ago

Vacuums are nothing like what they were in the decades past - Dyson has transformed them entirely - maybe not 'every decade' but they are evolving. Go and use a fridge from 40 years ago and compare to a modern one - granted, their essential function has not really improved that much. They were much more durable before, but rudimentary. Most product categories in tech have evolved, and it's why there are leaders in most categories.

jurgenburgen 4mo ago

> Fridges aren't really better at keeping food cold than they were 30 years ago, are they? Fridges have made huge leaps in energy efficiency, they’re easily 3-4 times better at cooling your food.

bluefirebrand 4mo ago
That's what I'm saying though. Energy efficiency is nice, it's a good improvement, but from an end user perspective the 30 year old fridge still keeps your food just as cold. If you were from 2025 and got trapped in the 1970s and needed to keep some milk from going sour for a day, you wouldn't be thinking "damn if only these old 1970s fridges worked more efficiently. I could easily accomplish this goal with a modern fridge!" The 1970s fridge would do just fine
- bluegatty 4mo ago
  You think that a fridge is about 'keeping food cold'? It's about ease of access, price, noise, convenience, durability, features. My folks have this fancy 2 door thing, perfectly quiet, makes the best ice you can imagine, it's hidden into the cuppboards, it's energy efficient, has these crisper things, you can see in and reach around easy, lots of space. It's a better product.