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Out of curiosity I looked through your post history to find an example of a time you got downvoted for calling out AI comments. The first one I could find was 3

Out of curiosity I looked through your post history to find an example of a time you got downvoted for calling out AI comments. The first one I could find was 3 months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096), where you got downvoted for calling out an AI comment...to a comment that had zero common signs of AI writing. The OP then replied: > Not AI. Not sure how I feel getting my writing style called out like that though :D

kordlessagain 3mo ago
Just the idea that something is AI is bothersome to some, and some AI content is genuinely useful and gets thrown out with the bathwater. Not saying all of it is useful, but there are shades of grey, not just black and white.
- minimaxir 3mo ago
  That isn't related to my comment? My comment is more criticizing accusing something of being AI based on vibes, and likely being wrong about it.
  - kordlessagain 3mo ago
    The broader point stands that all this AI stuff is highly polarizing, for a reason. I think you did a good job explaining why people get polarized. Sorry for any confusion.
- bluefirebrand 3mo ago
  I can't speak for everyone, but I've done a lot of reflecting on this so I have something of an explanation for why I feel this way about AI I think it's because I'm not optimizing my life to get the correct answer as fast as possible, or to build things as fast as possible. To me, the most important thing about the internet is connecting with other people. If I ask a question on a forum it's because I want to talk to someone about it, maybe make an acquaintance or even a friend. Otherwise I would of course just ask the AI now. Google has been around for a long time, and could already usually find answers for me. I still would rather discuss with a colleague sometimes than Google every single thing. Human connection. We need more of it, not less. I think heavy AI use and reliance on AI for thinking, research, communication and building... It's going to isolate people even more
jorvi 3mo ago
OP wrote in the parent: ".. Fault-tolerant and highly available hardware must facilitate low-latency, single-threaded communication with high semantic density in order to achieve multi-dimensional consensus in a safety-critical, heterogeneous, adversarial environment. .." I am not sure why you think someone saying "not AI trust me bro" carries any merit. At any rate, like I said, I've given up the war. People enjoy reading that stuff, I'll just be the old man no longer yelling at the clouds.
- deleted 3mo ago
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- dang 3mo ago
  Your post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096) might also have been downvoted for saying "Be better", which is an internet putdown trope.
  - minimaxir 3mo ago
    Also that.
  - jorvi 3mo ago
    [flagged]
    - minimaxir 3mo ago
      I didn't respond to your argument because I didn't want to escalate, but since you insist on personally attacking me and breaking the HN guidelines far more explicitly than what you're accusing the OP of doing... No LLM has responded like your quote of OP that you assert is LLM generated. Dense verbose writing is not something LLMs do without very specific prompt engineering that no one would do rationally. The tropes of LLM writing are more highly sporadic verbose writing (e.g. "delve") with highly atypical grammatical constructions, it's more precise than "it's sounds like a MBA" like you are asserting. Look at Wikipedia's list and try to figure out which item the OP falls under: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing Yes, OP has a verbose way with words and grammar. On a site like Hacker News that shouldn't be that weird, and accusing people of using AI without a smoking gun hurts culture and discourse far more than doing nothing at all, which is why I'm passionate about baseless AI use accusations. There are more than enough smoking-gun AI-written comments you can flag/downvote respectfully.
nojs 3mo ago
Not OP, but I’ve been nuked with downvotes for this several times too and tend to delete the dead comments. The slop is so prevalent that at this point it’s not a particularly interesting thing to say I think.
- minimaxir 3mo ago
  HN guidelines are to flag/downvote and move on anyways.
  - TimorousBestie 3mo ago
    And if you flag/downvote AI content (or any other class of content) too consistently, you’ll find your flags and downvotes quickly become ineffective. So the guidelines are in some sense a red herring.
    - dang 3mo ago
      That's not true- can I ask what you saw that made you come to that conclusion?

kordlessagain 3mo ago

Just the idea that something is AI is bothersome to some, and some AI content is genuinely useful and gets thrown out with the bathwater. Not saying all of it is useful, but there are shades of grey, not just black and white.

minimaxir 3mo ago
That isn't related to my comment? My comment is more criticizing accusing something of being AI based on vibes, and likely being wrong about it.
- kordlessagain 3mo ago
  The broader point stands that all this AI stuff is highly polarizing, for a reason. I think you did a good job explaining why people get polarized. Sorry for any confusion.
bluefirebrand 3mo ago
I can't speak for everyone, but I've done a lot of reflecting on this so I have something of an explanation for why I feel this way about AI I think it's because I'm not optimizing my life to get the correct answer as fast as possible, or to build things as fast as possible. To me, the most important thing about the internet is connecting with other people. If I ask a question on a forum it's because I want to talk to someone about it, maybe make an acquaintance or even a friend. Otherwise I would of course just ask the AI now. Google has been around for a long time, and could already usually find answers for me. I still would rather discuss with a colleague sometimes than Google every single thing. Human connection. We need more of it, not less. I think heavy AI use and reliance on AI for thinking, research, communication and building... It's going to isolate people even more

jorvi 3mo ago

OP wrote in the parent: ".. Fault-tolerant and highly available hardware must facilitate low-latency, single-threaded communication with high semantic density in order to achieve multi-dimensional consensus in a safety-critical, heterogeneous, adversarial environment. .." I am not sure why you think someone saying "not AI trust me bro" carries any merit. At any rate, like I said, I've given up the war. People enjoy reading that stuff, I'll just be the old man no longer yelling at the clouds.

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dang 3mo ago
Your post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47493096) might also have been downvoted for saying "Be better", which is an internet putdown trope.
- minimaxir 3mo ago
  Also that.
- jorvi 3mo ago
  [flagged]
  - minimaxir 3mo ago
    I didn't respond to your argument because I didn't want to escalate, but since you insist on personally attacking me and breaking the HN guidelines far more explicitly than what you're accusing the OP of doing... No LLM has responded like your quote of OP that you assert is LLM generated. Dense verbose writing is not something LLMs do without very specific prompt engineering that no one would do rationally. The tropes of LLM writing are more highly sporadic verbose writing (e.g. "delve") with highly atypical grammatical constructions, it's more precise than "it's sounds like a MBA" like you are asserting. Look at Wikipedia's list and try to figure out which item the OP falls under: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing Yes, OP has a verbose way with words and grammar. On a site like Hacker News that shouldn't be that weird, and accusing people of using AI without a smoking gun hurts culture and discourse far more than doing nothing at all, which is why I'm passionate about baseless AI use accusations. There are more than enough smoking-gun AI-written comments you can flag/downvote respectfully.

nojs 3mo ago

Not OP, but I’ve been nuked with downvotes for this several times too and tend to delete the dead comments. The slop is so prevalent that at this point it’s not a particularly interesting thing to say I think.

minimaxir 3mo ago
HN guidelines are to flag/downvote and move on anyways.
- TimorousBestie 3mo ago
  And if you flag/downvote AI content (or any other class of content) too consistently, you’ll find your flags and downvotes quickly become ineffective. So the guidelines are in some sense a red herring.
  - dang 3mo ago
    That's not true- can I ask what you saw that made you come to that conclusion?