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This is something that works better on paper in practice. Namely, there are a hell of a lot of false positives of AI use which frequently causes shitstorms on s

This is something that works better on paper in practice. Namely, there are a hell of a lot of false positives of AI use which frequently causes shitstorms on social media where someone says "AI?" in bad faith and now the OP has to defend themselves and in the case of writing a blog post there aren't as concrete ways to defend yourself. (no, demanding the edit history of the post is not reasonable) Hacker News adopting such a feature would likely do more harm than good.

Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
uBlock Origin users already filter a large portion of "AI" slop sites. Saves a lot of time when searching for something specific. =3 https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist https://github.com/Stevoisiak/Stevos-AI-Blocklist/ https://github.com/Stevoisiak/Stevos-AI-Blocklist/
- minimaxir 3mo ago
  Just from looking at the sites in the BlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist blocklist, it blocks anything tangent to AI such as Hugging Face and other model developers like Mistral/Z.ai, not sites that actually post AI slop. That's a good example of the exact problem with such a broad stroke rule.
  - Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
    In general, each blacklist targets a different facet of slop content farm structures. Some LLM use-cases like search are legitimate, but most traffic volume is spam/slop related. Depends on your use-case, but most people don't need content used in network nuisances like YC AstroTurf posts. =3
    - minimaxir 3mo ago
      Being carelessly overzealous with flags/blocking is a reliable way to kill a community by making it overly toxic, speaking from experience.
      - Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
        I am skeptical YC frequency of "AI" related content is representative of actual users interest. Yet I agree there are a lot of cultural differences in this world that don't often translate well for some users. Some folks will assume because they disagree about some subject, that it is some sort of personal slight. Even scoring posts does provably change peoples behavior, and studies showed it tended to make people more punitive in their conduct with strangers. At bare minimum, YC should have bot CAPTCHA protection on posts. As unleashing chat bots on users is often disrespectful, and just cows people out of participating in conversations in good faith. =3
        minimaxir 3mo ago
        > I am skeptical YC frequency of "AI" related content is representative of actual users interest. Are you implying the front page is botted/manipulated?
        Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
        Not sure why it has gravitated to a narrow scope subject, but compared to the diverse interests most technical people had in the past. LLM weights now seems like an oddly over-represented topic even when its unrelated to actual use-cases. Throwing up a bot challenge would probably improve signal-to-noise ratios, but who knows for sure. =3
Aachen 3mo ago
"bad faith"? As in, that the person posts the accusation while actually believing the opposite? I would think the far, far more common reason for posting that incorrectly is that they legitimately thought it was slop. Of course such low-effort wrongful accusations are bad to post for multiple reasons, but I don't think people frequently post such things falsely
- minimaxir 3mo ago
  > they legitimately thought it was slop The issue is that label has expanded to anything that's weird/unusual, and the consequences of being accused of AI are far more severe than the consequences of a false accusation so people do it frequently. It is absolutely a vector for harrassment/trolling. One subreddit I follow now bans people if they make an accusation of AI-generation that's weak/disproven, which is a rule I like.

Joel_Mckay 3mo ago

uBlock Origin users already filter a large portion of "AI" slop sites. Saves a lot of time when searching for something specific. =3 https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist https://github.com/Stevoisiak/Stevos-AI-Blocklist/ https://github.com/Stevoisiak/Stevos-AI-Blocklist/

minimaxir 3mo ago
Just from looking at the sites in the BlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist blocklist, it blocks anything tangent to AI such as Hugging Face and other model developers like Mistral/Z.ai, not sites that actually post AI slop. That's a good example of the exact problem with such a broad stroke rule.
- Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
  In general, each blacklist targets a different facet of slop content farm structures. Some LLM use-cases like search are legitimate, but most traffic volume is spam/slop related. Depends on your use-case, but most people don't need content used in network nuisances like YC AstroTurf posts. =3
  - minimaxir 3mo ago
    Being carelessly overzealous with flags/blocking is a reliable way to kill a community by making it overly toxic, speaking from experience.
    - Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
      I am skeptical YC frequency of "AI" related content is representative of actual users interest. Yet I agree there are a lot of cultural differences in this world that don't often translate well for some users. Some folks will assume because they disagree about some subject, that it is some sort of personal slight. Even scoring posts does provably change peoples behavior, and studies showed it tended to make people more punitive in their conduct with strangers. At bare minimum, YC should have bot CAPTCHA protection on posts. As unleashing chat bots on users is often disrespectful, and just cows people out of participating in conversations in good faith. =3
      - minimaxir 3mo ago
        > I am skeptical YC frequency of "AI" related content is representative of actual users interest. Are you implying the front page is botted/manipulated?
        Joel_Mckay 3mo ago
        Not sure why it has gravitated to a narrow scope subject, but compared to the diverse interests most technical people had in the past. LLM weights now seems like an oddly over-represented topic even when its unrelated to actual use-cases. Throwing up a bot challenge would probably improve signal-to-noise ratios, but who knows for sure. =3

Aachen 3mo ago

"bad faith"? As in, that the person posts the accusation while actually believing the opposite? I would think the far, far more common reason for posting that incorrectly is that they legitimately thought it was slop. Of course such low-effort wrongful accusations are bad to post for multiple reasons, but I don't think people frequently post such things falsely

minimaxir 3mo ago
> they legitimately thought it was slop The issue is that label has expanded to anything that's weird/unusual, and the consequences of being accused of AI are far more severe than the consequences of a false accusation so people do it frequently. It is absolutely a vector for harrassment/trolling. One subreddit I follow now bans people if they make an accusation of AI-generation that's weak/disproven, which is a rule I like.