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Considering YC invests in AI I doubt you’ll get anything of the sort. Too many people here also think you just have to give in and accept (abuser mentality IMO)

by dawnerd 3mo ago

Considering YC invests in AI I doubt you’ll get anything of the sort. Too many people here also think you just have to give in and accept (abuser mentality IMO).

browski 3mo ago
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- lkt 3mo ago
  I don't think that's a very good comparison. People can drive a car without an expert but they can't build a car. People can use software without being an expert but still require an expert to build software. AI could provided assistance with building both cars and software, but you still need a decent level of knowledge in either field to get a good result.
  - defrost 3mo ago
    > People can drive a car without an expert Not every person can drive a car. > but they can't build a car. Not every person is unable to build a car. Eg: my father, born 1935, still alive, has built double axle trailers, cars and vehicles that work, medical caravans for St Johns Ambulance, ... His education was six years of primary school and these were all "side projects" for himself or for his community. > you still need a decent level of knowledge in either field and the barrier to picking up sufficient knowledge to safely create software, cars, even ground effect flying boats isn't that high for normal human beings .. although it does require a certain can do attitude.
  - browski 3mo ago
    Programmers do not build a computer. EEs and computer engineers do that. They are driving (lol) towards the sale of a computer with a model on chip without a programmer salary and benefits adding to cost and resource use (all the tools of the trade need to be stored and copied around). This is capitalism, not honorific obligationism! Saving your job is no one else's burden! Disrupt! (YC crowd 15 years ago). Oh how the turn tables. Move the context of the code to the presentation layer and eliminate state by keeping the hardware focused on computing geometric transforms. Biggidy bam label the data on the display and save both geometry and labels There's no reason for biz logic context to exist in code.
- deleted 3mo ago
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- asdff 3mo ago
  Anyone could be a programmer before ai too.
- browski 3mo ago
  Fwiw I find social media scores corny Just stokes addiction to a false sense of empowerment and social contribution Downvote away to hide from ideas and opinions you don't like. Conservative people are the only people so dysregulated by ideas they don't understand or that do not validate prior experience and embedded biases they just try to hide them from view. Not the kind of people whose judgment I concern myself with in any meaningful way
  - SilverSlash 3mo ago
    > Fwiw I find social media scores corny I agree. We've had large and thriving online forums for at least a decade before upvote systems became ubiquitous and things were just fine.
  - rsoto2 3mo ago
    "anybody that doesn't agree with me is a cave-dwelling conservative" yeah keep chatting with the sycophantic psychosis-inducing LLM chatbot, I think you'll have a better time.
    - browski 3mo ago
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- rsoto2 3mo ago
  "i'm 14 and this is deep" LLMs are mass theft of intellectual property. I didn't need them to "drive" this computer for the last ten years.
  - tancop 3mo ago
    "intellectual property" never existed. there is only copyright (created to make sure book publishers pay authors), patents (encourage inventors to publish their research instead of keeping it secret) and trademarks (protect buyers and the factorys reputation from counterfeit goods). they are different systems created for completely different reasons. the idea of calling them all "property" came from lobbyists who wanted to make people think they are natural rights that should be expanded and protected at all costs, instead of tools made for a specific purpose. thats how we get todays system where publishing anything even without a copyright notice gives you life plus 70 years of total exclusivity, but also if you signed a bad contract with your employer they will act like all your work belongs to them even if you did it on your own time and threaten you with lawsuits if you try and fight. its bad at protecting artists (just look at the music industry) and even worse at protecting the public. what llm vendors (not the models themselves) are doing is not really theft because you cant steal something if the original owner has it the whole time. the bad thing they actually do is train llms on everyones work and then claim copyright over the result. that is the real injustice. and its why i think open source === ethical when it comes to ai. if you take you have to give back. the only true permanent solution is a full rebalance. all "ip" rights should be for commercial use only and last 25 years or less. yes that means piracy is legal as long as you dont make money off it. unpaid royalties are a problem for real people but pirates only hurt corporations. i know what side im on.
    - rsoto2 3mo ago
      It is theft. "intellectual property does not exist" -> goes on to define various legal instruments for protecting intellectual property. "you can't steal something if the original owner has it the whole time" Is this fifth grade? So if I go over to your house and trash it, it doesn't matter the house was under your possession the whole time. No the rebalance is to sue these companies into the dirt.
dang 3mo ago
I'd be curious if you'd read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48887149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48887149 and let me know (once I've finished editing the damn thing) how this changes, or doesn't change, your response.
- TimorousBestie 3mo ago
  It didn’t change my opinion, which matches OP’s.
  - dang 3mo ago
    Perhaps you could explain why?
- dawnerd 3mo ago
  I think that is really reasonable. I’ve always felt weird with flagging too because there’s no reason attached. Even if it’s not displayed in the UI, it would be nice to have something in the html if a link gets enough flags for ai. Would let people css filter them out.
xdennis 3mo ago
> Considering YC invests in AI I doubt you’ll get anything of the sort. Conspiracy minded responses are low value, and yours is especially so considering HN bans AI comments.
- rsoto2 3mo ago
  Investors want to see their investment grow. What is the conspiracy? HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. You think these people have morals or ideals?
  - dang 3mo ago
    > HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. WTF? What do you mean by "hosted"? I know it's the internet's happy place to blithely accuse others of monstrosity and then derive from that how nobody other then themselves has any "morals or ideals", but this one sticks in my craw.
    - deleted 3mo ago
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    - rsoto2 3mo ago
      There was a prominent AMA for an israeli soldier while stationed in Gaza oppressing brown minorities and blowing up their children. The world sees what Israel has done it's not an "online" thing there are real humanitarian orgs and the UN accusing Israel of genocide.
      - tomhow 3mo ago
        Can you share a link or any identifying words that would enable us to know exactly what you're referring to? Dang and I monitor this site throughout the day, every day, and we have no idea what you mean. If it was a "prominent AMA" that we "hosted", we would remember.

by dawnerd 3mo ago

Considering YC invests in AI I doubt you’ll get anything of the sort. Too many people here also think you just have to give in and accept (abuser mentality IMO).

browski 3mo ago

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lkt 3mo ago
I don't think that's a very good comparison. People can drive a car without an expert but they can't build a car. People can use software without being an expert but still require an expert to build software. AI could provided assistance with building both cars and software, but you still need a decent level of knowledge in either field to get a good result.
- defrost 3mo ago
  > People can drive a car without an expert Not every person can drive a car. > but they can't build a car. Not every person is unable to build a car. Eg: my father, born 1935, still alive, has built double axle trailers, cars and vehicles that work, medical caravans for St Johns Ambulance, ... His education was six years of primary school and these were all "side projects" for himself or for his community. > you still need a decent level of knowledge in either field and the barrier to picking up sufficient knowledge to safely create software, cars, even ground effect flying boats isn't that high for normal human beings .. although it does require a certain can do attitude.
- browski 3mo ago
  Programmers do not build a computer. EEs and computer engineers do that. They are driving (lol) towards the sale of a computer with a model on chip without a programmer salary and benefits adding to cost and resource use (all the tools of the trade need to be stored and copied around). This is capitalism, not honorific obligationism! Saving your job is no one else's burden! Disrupt! (YC crowd 15 years ago). Oh how the turn tables. Move the context of the code to the presentation layer and eliminate state by keeping the hardware focused on computing geometric transforms. Biggidy bam label the data on the display and save both geometry and labels There's no reason for biz logic context to exist in code.
deleted 3mo ago
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asdff 3mo ago
Anyone could be a programmer before ai too.
browski 3mo ago
Fwiw I find social media scores corny Just stokes addiction to a false sense of empowerment and social contribution Downvote away to hide from ideas and opinions you don't like. Conservative people are the only people so dysregulated by ideas they don't understand or that do not validate prior experience and embedded biases they just try to hide them from view. Not the kind of people whose judgment I concern myself with in any meaningful way
- SilverSlash 3mo ago
  > Fwiw I find social media scores corny I agree. We've had large and thriving online forums for at least a decade before upvote systems became ubiquitous and things were just fine.
- rsoto2 3mo ago
  "anybody that doesn't agree with me is a cave-dwelling conservative" yeah keep chatting with the sycophantic psychosis-inducing LLM chatbot, I think you'll have a better time.
  - browski 3mo ago
    [dead]
rsoto2 3mo ago
"i'm 14 and this is deep" LLMs are mass theft of intellectual property. I didn't need them to "drive" this computer for the last ten years.
- tancop 3mo ago
  "intellectual property" never existed. there is only copyright (created to make sure book publishers pay authors), patents (encourage inventors to publish their research instead of keeping it secret) and trademarks (protect buyers and the factorys reputation from counterfeit goods). they are different systems created for completely different reasons. the idea of calling them all "property" came from lobbyists who wanted to make people think they are natural rights that should be expanded and protected at all costs, instead of tools made for a specific purpose. thats how we get todays system where publishing anything even without a copyright notice gives you life plus 70 years of total exclusivity, but also if you signed a bad contract with your employer they will act like all your work belongs to them even if you did it on your own time and threaten you with lawsuits if you try and fight. its bad at protecting artists (just look at the music industry) and even worse at protecting the public. what llm vendors (not the models themselves) are doing is not really theft because you cant steal something if the original owner has it the whole time. the bad thing they actually do is train llms on everyones work and then claim copyright over the result. that is the real injustice. and its why i think open source === ethical when it comes to ai. if you take you have to give back. the only true permanent solution is a full rebalance. all "ip" rights should be for commercial use only and last 25 years or less. yes that means piracy is legal as long as you dont make money off it. unpaid royalties are a problem for real people but pirates only hurt corporations. i know what side im on.
  - rsoto2 3mo ago
    It is theft. "intellectual property does not exist" -> goes on to define various legal instruments for protecting intellectual property. "you can't steal something if the original owner has it the whole time" Is this fifth grade? So if I go over to your house and trash it, it doesn't matter the house was under your possession the whole time. No the rebalance is to sue these companies into the dirt.

dang 3mo ago

I'd be curious if you'd read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48887149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48887149 and let me know (once I've finished editing the damn thing) how this changes, or doesn't change, your response.

TimorousBestie 3mo ago
It didn’t change my opinion, which matches OP’s.
- dang 3mo ago
  Perhaps you could explain why?
dawnerd 3mo ago
I think that is really reasonable. I’ve always felt weird with flagging too because there’s no reason attached. Even if it’s not displayed in the UI, it would be nice to have something in the html if a link gets enough flags for ai. Would let people css filter them out.

xdennis 3mo ago

> Considering YC invests in AI I doubt you’ll get anything of the sort. Conspiracy minded responses are low value, and yours is especially so considering HN bans AI comments.

rsoto2 3mo ago
Investors want to see their investment grow. What is the conspiracy? HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. You think these people have morals or ideals?
- dang 3mo ago
  > HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. WTF? What do you mean by "hosted"? I know it's the internet's happy place to blithely accuse others of monstrosity and then derive from that how nobody other then themselves has any "morals or ideals", but this one sticks in my craw.
  - deleted 3mo ago
    [deleted]
  - rsoto2 3mo ago
    There was a prominent AMA for an israeli soldier while stationed in Gaza oppressing brown minorities and blowing up their children. The world sees what Israel has done it's not an "online" thing there are real humanitarian orgs and the UN accusing Israel of genocide.
    - tomhow 3mo ago
      Can you share a link or any identifying words that would enable us to know exactly what you're referring to? Dang and I monitor this site throughout the day, every day, and we have no idea what you mean. If it was a "prominent AMA" that we "hosted", we would remember.