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This is interesting analysis, but I don't think it necessarily counteracts what the book is saying. To build state-affiliated housing also involved "clearing th

This is interesting analysis, but I don't think it necessarily counteracts what the book is saying. To build state-affiliated housing also involved "clearing the pipes" as the article put it. Additionally, the Vienna housing that this article touched on is a way deeper rabbit hole that is absolutely worth looking into. They have a completely different housing paradigm than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

tptacek 3mo ago
(For the uninitiated, the government [and sponsored co-ops] owns almost half the housing in Vienna, and eligibility for social housing, which is seen as desirable, extends deep into the middle class.)
- shay_ker 3mo ago
  There's no free lunch. Housing costs are effectively carried by immigrants and transplants: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Setting-the-record-straight-on-the-Vienna-Social-Housing-Model-final.pdf?x91208 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Setting-the-r... In general, the Vienna model is very difficult to copy without being in extreme conditions: https://www.threads.com/@__smiz/post/Cxpz28CIkT6 https://www.threads.com/@__smiz/post/Cxpz28CIkT6
  - Plasmoid 3mo ago
    Many people also don't know that Vienna was isolated and divided for nearly 50 years during the cold war. A significant amount of the available housing is due to Vienna having a bad economy for almost a century.
    - tomjakubowski 3mo ago
      Huh? I thought that Vienna's partition period following WWII lasted more like ten years than sixty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Austria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Austria
      - eigenspace 3mo ago
        Vienna was under occupation for 10 years but was never partitioned. There was mostly free movement of people and goods between the zones.
    - hackandthink 3mo ago
      Berlin was divided. Like Berlin, Vienna had occupation zones, but there was never a wall between them.
    - eigenspace 3mo ago
      The reason "many people dont know" about that is that it didnt happen. You just made it up.
      - tptacek 3mo ago
        That's a pretty uncivil way to say "you're wrong". People are wrong about things all the time; I'm sure you have been too.
- darkwizard42 3mo ago
  Is this similar to Singapore where much of the housing stock is government housing?
  - Terr_ 3mo ago
    I am also reminded of (former-?) rival Hong Kong, where the government either runs or subsidizes at least half the housing. (This in turn relies on other idiosyncrasies, like the government owning all the land, a massive sovereign-wealth fund, etc.)

tptacek 3mo ago

(For the uninitiated, the government [and sponsored co-ops] owns almost half the housing in Vienna, and eligibility for social housing, which is seen as desirable, extends deep into the middle class.)

shay_ker 3mo ago
There's no free lunch. Housing costs are effectively carried by immigrants and transplants: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Setting-the-record-straight-on-the-Vienna-Social-Housing-Model-final.pdf?x91208 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Setting-the-r... In general, the Vienna model is very difficult to copy without being in extreme conditions: https://www.threads.com/@__smiz/post/Cxpz28CIkT6 https://www.threads.com/@__smiz/post/Cxpz28CIkT6
- Plasmoid 3mo ago
  Many people also don't know that Vienna was isolated and divided for nearly 50 years during the cold war. A significant amount of the available housing is due to Vienna having a bad economy for almost a century.
  - tomjakubowski 3mo ago
    Huh? I thought that Vienna's partition period following WWII lasted more like ten years than sixty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Austria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Austria
    - eigenspace 3mo ago
      Vienna was under occupation for 10 years but was never partitioned. There was mostly free movement of people and goods between the zones.
  - hackandthink 3mo ago
    Berlin was divided. Like Berlin, Vienna had occupation zones, but there was never a wall between them.
  - eigenspace 3mo ago
    The reason "many people dont know" about that is that it didnt happen. You just made it up.
    - tptacek 3mo ago
      That's a pretty uncivil way to say "you're wrong". People are wrong about things all the time; I'm sure you have been too.
darkwizard42 3mo ago
Is this similar to Singapore where much of the housing stock is government housing?
- Terr_ 3mo ago
  I am also reminded of (former-?) rival Hong Kong, where the government either runs or subsidizes at least half the housing. (This in turn relies on other idiosyncrasies, like the government owning all the land, a massive sovereign-wealth fund, etc.)