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This isn't common knowledge. This is something people (non-experts) are starting to infer, because we're seeing it with Long COVID - https://news.ycombinator.co

This isn't common knowledge. This is something people (non-experts) are starting to infer, because we're seeing it with Long COVID - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877214 - but there's no reason to think this is something special about SARS-CoV-2 - it could just as well happen with all viral infections but we weren't looking. It reminds me that we didn't look at vaccine efficacy at the individual level until SARS-CoV-2. People were getting upset that SARS-CoV-2 vaccines only have a moderate chance to stop you getting the virus, and usually lessen its impact if you do get it, and calling this an ineffective vaccine. But the truth is, we have no idea whether every previous vaccine was also like that, because we only ever looked at the population level: when lots of people get the vaccine, the virus dies out.

chasil 3mo ago
From a legal perspective, if the injection does not provide 100% immunity (when used as directed), then it cannot be called a vaccine, instead it is a therapeutic treatment. Because courts of law have recognized covid mRNA injections as therapeutic treatments, they cannot be mandated.
- duk3luk3 3mo ago
  That sounds like nonsense. Most vaccines do not provide 100% immunity.
  - chasil 3mo ago
    Not to the union, it's not. 'The plaintiffs alleged that the vaccines do not prevent someone from becoming infected with COVID-19 and characterized it as a treatment rather than a “traditional vaccine.”' https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-mandate-schools/ https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-manda...
    - pineapplepizza6 3mo ago
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    - realxrobau 3mo ago
      You're aware that the article you posted is full of sovcit antivaxers? The reason the case was dismissed was because the requirement was removed. The case was reopened on appeal due to the rules being temporarily re-established. Anything else is nonsense. This is spelled out in the article but wrapped with a bunch of whatifs and maybes and possiblies. If your hypothesis was correct, then NOTHING is a vaccine.
      - chasil 3mo ago
        Do I care?
        realxrobau 3mo ago
        Well you're the one making the claim that a vaccine needs to block infections permanently, so I guess you do?
- pocksuppet 3mo ago
  From a legal perspective, right and wrong are decided by a coin flip most of the time.

chasil 3mo ago

From a legal perspective, if the injection does not provide 100% immunity (when used as directed), then it cannot be called a vaccine, instead it is a therapeutic treatment. Because courts of law have recognized covid mRNA injections as therapeutic treatments, they cannot be mandated.

duk3luk3 3mo ago
That sounds like nonsense. Most vaccines do not provide 100% immunity.
- chasil 3mo ago
  Not to the union, it's not. 'The plaintiffs alleged that the vaccines do not prevent someone from becoming infected with COVID-19 and characterized it as a treatment rather than a “traditional vaccine.”' https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-mandate-schools/ https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-manda...
  - pineapplepizza6 3mo ago
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  - realxrobau 3mo ago
    You're aware that the article you posted is full of sovcit antivaxers? The reason the case was dismissed was because the requirement was removed. The case was reopened on appeal due to the rules being temporarily re-established. Anything else is nonsense. This is spelled out in the article but wrapped with a bunch of whatifs and maybes and possiblies. If your hypothesis was correct, then NOTHING is a vaccine.
    - chasil 3mo ago
      Do I care?
      - realxrobau 3mo ago
        Well you're the one making the claim that a vaccine needs to block infections permanently, so I guess you do?
pocksuppet 3mo ago
From a legal perspective, right and wrong are decided by a coin flip most of the time.