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What fraction of Irish GDP is linked to datacenters? If I remember correctly from the pre-AI world, datacenters were at the heart of Dublin's industrial strateg

What fraction of Irish GDP is linked to datacenters? If I remember correctly from the pre-AI world, datacenters were at the heart of Dublin's industrial strategy, and they were credibly linked to a double-digit fraction of production.

stuaxo 4mo ago
Irelands big pull to these companies is to not tax them as much as other countries.
- dboreham 4mo ago
  That said, once built and lit up, it's hard to move a data center to another country.
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  - dilyevsky 4mo ago
    Like 90%+ cost of a dc is actual computers which are pretty shippable
  - jamesfinlayson 4mo ago
    Yep, seen a data-centre move happen at work (from a distance - I wasn't effected). For a business with cross-data centre redundancy and no allowable down-time for core business, it was at least a year-long project I think. All for a data-centre in the same city.
    - dilyevsky 4mo ago
      A year isnt very long considering sums involved here. At a certain hyperscaler a full dc build out took 2-3 years but we heard that aws did that in a year all in. And also musk proved you can do it literally over holiday break but you don’t have to go that extreme - just dont let cya pmcs do it
henry2023 4mo ago
Even in the hypothetical that datacenters would double Ireland’s GDP what real positive impact would it have if they pay zero taxes?
- phs318u 4mo ago
  Did you mean hypothesis?
  - henry2023 4mo ago
    I meant hypothetical, thanks for pointing it out.
- a_paddy 4mo ago
  They do pay tax, 12.5%. Plus employment during construction and maintenance. There's also ancillary investment in national infrastructure such as Google's CO2 battery
- hunterpayne 4mo ago
  The rest of Europe sued Ireland to get them to stop being a tax haven. Ireland basically refuses to do so. If they did, most of their economy evaporates overnight (and the US government gets a lot more tax revenue). Ireland's economy is basically 2 tax shelters in a trench coat.

stuaxo 4mo ago

Irelands big pull to these companies is to not tax them as much as other countries.

dboreham 4mo ago
That said, once built and lit up, it's hard to move a data center to another country.
- deleted 4mo ago
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- dilyevsky 4mo ago
  Like 90%+ cost of a dc is actual computers which are pretty shippable
- jamesfinlayson 4mo ago
  Yep, seen a data-centre move happen at work (from a distance - I wasn't effected). For a business with cross-data centre redundancy and no allowable down-time for core business, it was at least a year-long project I think. All for a data-centre in the same city.
  - dilyevsky 4mo ago
    A year isnt very long considering sums involved here. At a certain hyperscaler a full dc build out took 2-3 years but we heard that aws did that in a year all in. And also musk proved you can do it literally over holiday break but you don’t have to go that extreme - just dont let cya pmcs do it

henry2023 4mo ago

Even in the hypothetical that datacenters would double Ireland’s GDP what real positive impact would it have if they pay zero taxes?

phs318u 4mo ago
Did you mean hypothesis?
- henry2023 4mo ago
  I meant hypothetical, thanks for pointing it out.
a_paddy 4mo ago
They do pay tax, 12.5%. Plus employment during construction and maintenance. There's also ancillary investment in national infrastructure such as Google's CO2 battery
hunterpayne 4mo ago
The rest of Europe sued Ireland to get them to stop being a tax haven. Ireland basically refuses to do so. If they did, most of their economy evaporates overnight (and the US government gets a lot more tax revenue). Ireland's economy is basically 2 tax shelters in a trench coat.