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> like the more colds you have in life Whoa wait what? This is the first time I’ve heard of this - is this actually common knowledge?

hereme888 3mo ago
Not common knowledge, but should be in this day and age. For example, someone who worked in daycare and often got sick with the flu or similar, has a higher risk of dementia (statistically-speaking). When I learned it, it was in the context of the influenza and similar common viruses. It's actually more nuanced than that. If you want to read more: https://www.openevidence.com/ask/bccc3cc2-e15d-4fb0-a0c5-16f17a0d45c2 https://www.openevidence.com/ask/bccc3cc2-e15d-4fb0-a0c5-16f...
- sarchertech 3mo ago
  As far as I know you're overstating what is known. There was a study that showed that people who had severe influenza (they were hospitalized) were 3 times more likely to develop dementia. And there are mouse models that show that frequency respiratory virus infections can increase may contribute to brain aging (in mice). >someone who worked in daycare and often got sick with the flu or similar, has a higher risk of dementia (statistically-speaking). I can't find any evidence of this being true. I can find evidence that primary school teachers have lower rates of dementia. Pediatricians also have lower rates of dementia, so I find this highly doubtful.
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  - hereme888 3mo ago
    I'm extrapolating some. But pediatricians have higher rates of dementia compared to their counterparts (physicians have lower dementia in general): https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40520-019-01278-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40520-019-01278-4
    - sarchertech 3mo ago
      You’re taking a mouse study, and a study that says that people hospitalized with influenza are more likely to get dementia, and stating confidently that daycare workers are more likely to get dementia. That’s not “extrapolating some.” That’s just making stuff up. The study you cited is from Taiwan and merely states that “Physicians who were older, specialized in pediatrics and worked at local hospitals and clinics had a higher prevalence for dementia than their counterparts did.” “physicians who are older are more likely to have dementia” But beyond that, pediatricians or doctors who work in hospitals or clinics covers most doctors who aren’t work from home radiologists.
      - hereme888 3mo ago
        Wrong. Physicians (which includes pediatricians), who are in general less likely to get dementia, experience its signs at an older age in general due to protective effects of their high education. Among physicians, pediatricians seemed to have higher rates. The discussion is very low-yield though, since infections are already a minor point re: dementia, and none of the evidence is conclusive.
        sarchertech 3mo ago
        That’s not what that sentence says though. >Among physicians, pediatricians seemed to have higher rates. Not just pediatricians, but physicians that work at hospitals and clinics. Which is nearly all of them. I think what you’re dealing with is a low quality, low effort survey study from Taiwan, which was poorly written, so there is no point trying to figure out what they meant.
        hereme888 3mo ago
        It's not a strong study, and the demographic group was very particular, but it involved 30k physicians, which is something. I would have no problem conceding that I misread the study, but ChatGPT, which is obviously never wrong (joking of course), agreed with me: https://chatgpt.com/share/6a550f00-d174-83ea-b111-0369a8e4dbd8 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a550f00-d174-83ea-b111-0369a8e4db...
pocksuppet 3mo ago
This isn't common knowledge. This is something people (non-experts) are starting to infer, because we're seeing it with Long COVID - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877214 - but there's no reason to think this is something special about SARS-CoV-2 - it could just as well happen with all viral infections but we weren't looking. It reminds me that we didn't look at vaccine efficacy at the individual level until SARS-CoV-2. People were getting upset that SARS-CoV-2 vaccines only have a moderate chance to stop you getting the virus, and usually lessen its impact if you do get it, and calling this an ineffective vaccine. But the truth is, we have no idea whether every previous vaccine was also like that, because we only ever looked at the population level: when lots of people get the vaccine, the virus dies out.
- chasil 3mo ago
  From a legal perspective, if the injection does not provide 100% immunity (when used as directed), then it cannot be called a vaccine, instead it is a therapeutic treatment. Because courts of law have recognized covid mRNA injections as therapeutic treatments, they cannot be mandated.
  - duk3luk3 3mo ago
    That sounds like nonsense. Most vaccines do not provide 100% immunity.
    - chasil 3mo ago
      Not to the union, it's not. 'The plaintiffs alleged that the vaccines do not prevent someone from becoming infected with COVID-19 and characterized it as a treatment rather than a “traditional vaccine.”' https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-mandate-schools/ https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-manda...
      - pineapplepizza6 3mo ago
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hereme888 3mo ago

Not common knowledge, but should be in this day and age. For example, someone who worked in daycare and often got sick with the flu or similar, has a higher risk of dementia (statistically-speaking). When I learned it, it was in the context of the influenza and similar common viruses. It's actually more nuanced than that. If you want to read more: https://www.openevidence.com/ask/bccc3cc2-e15d-4fb0-a0c5-16f17a0d45c2 https://www.openevidence.com/ask/bccc3cc2-e15d-4fb0-a0c5-16f...

sarchertech 3mo ago
As far as I know you're overstating what is known. There was a study that showed that people who had severe influenza (they were hospitalized) were 3 times more likely to develop dementia. And there are mouse models that show that frequency respiratory virus infections can increase may contribute to brain aging (in mice). >someone who worked in daycare and often got sick with the flu or similar, has a higher risk of dementia (statistically-speaking). I can't find any evidence of this being true. I can find evidence that primary school teachers have lower rates of dementia. Pediatricians also have lower rates of dementia, so I find this highly doubtful.
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- hereme888 3mo ago
  I'm extrapolating some. But pediatricians have higher rates of dementia compared to their counterparts (physicians have lower dementia in general): https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40520-019-01278-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40520-019-01278-4
  - sarchertech 3mo ago
    You’re taking a mouse study, and a study that says that people hospitalized with influenza are more likely to get dementia, and stating confidently that daycare workers are more likely to get dementia. That’s not “extrapolating some.” That’s just making stuff up. The study you cited is from Taiwan and merely states that “Physicians who were older, specialized in pediatrics and worked at local hospitals and clinics had a higher prevalence for dementia than their counterparts did.” “physicians who are older are more likely to have dementia” But beyond that, pediatricians or doctors who work in hospitals or clinics covers most doctors who aren’t work from home radiologists.
    - hereme888 3mo ago
      Wrong. Physicians (which includes pediatricians), who are in general less likely to get dementia, experience its signs at an older age in general due to protective effects of their high education. Among physicians, pediatricians seemed to have higher rates. The discussion is very low-yield though, since infections are already a minor point re: dementia, and none of the evidence is conclusive.
      - sarchertech 3mo ago
        That’s not what that sentence says though. >Among physicians, pediatricians seemed to have higher rates. Not just pediatricians, but physicians that work at hospitals and clinics. Which is nearly all of them. I think what you’re dealing with is a low quality, low effort survey study from Taiwan, which was poorly written, so there is no point trying to figure out what they meant.
        hereme888 3mo ago
        It's not a strong study, and the demographic group was very particular, but it involved 30k physicians, which is something. I would have no problem conceding that I misread the study, but ChatGPT, which is obviously never wrong (joking of course), agreed with me: https://chatgpt.com/share/6a550f00-d174-83ea-b111-0369a8e4dbd8 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a550f00-d174-83ea-b111-0369a8e4db...

pocksuppet 3mo ago

This isn't common knowledge. This is something people (non-experts) are starting to infer, because we're seeing it with Long COVID - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877214 - but there's no reason to think this is something special about SARS-CoV-2 - it could just as well happen with all viral infections but we weren't looking. It reminds me that we didn't look at vaccine efficacy at the individual level until SARS-CoV-2. People were getting upset that SARS-CoV-2 vaccines only have a moderate chance to stop you getting the virus, and usually lessen its impact if you do get it, and calling this an ineffective vaccine. But the truth is, we have no idea whether every previous vaccine was also like that, because we only ever looked at the population level: when lots of people get the vaccine, the virus dies out.

chasil 3mo ago
From a legal perspective, if the injection does not provide 100% immunity (when used as directed), then it cannot be called a vaccine, instead it is a therapeutic treatment. Because courts of law have recognized covid mRNA injections as therapeutic treatments, they cannot be mandated.
- duk3luk3 3mo ago
  That sounds like nonsense. Most vaccines do not provide 100% immunity.
  - chasil 3mo ago
    Not to the union, it's not. 'The plaintiffs alleged that the vaccines do not prevent someone from becoming infected with COVID-19 and characterized it as a treatment rather than a “traditional vaccine.”' https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-mandate-schools/ https://calmatters.org/education/2024/06/covid-vaccine-manda...
    - pineapplepizza6 3mo ago
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