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I will admit that I don't like vibecoded things, but perhaps I must stomach that AI will be writing a lot in this brave new era. However, when the commit histo

I will admit that I don't like vibecoded things, but perhaps I must stomach that AI will be writing a lot in this brave new era. However, when the commit history has stuff like v0.5.0: native backends, software renderer, text input, IME Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com> Co-authored-by: Codex <codex@openai.com> Co-authored-by: Composer <composer@cursor.com> Co-authored-by: Cursor Grok 4.5 <noreply@cursor.com> 377 files changed Lines changed: 62423 additions & 2871 deletions it's very hard. These “change the entire world” commits make for a history that is impractical to follow for a human, and therefore of little interest to me.

hsn915 3mo ago
This is a publish-only mirror repo. The commit history is the publish history, not the work history.
- weare138 3mo ago
  Where's the actual repo then?
- lietuvis 3mo ago
  I'm assuming you're the author, why not publish everything?
- em-bee 3mo ago
  that doesn't make much sense. why go out of your way to publish a selected history instead of the whole work?
  - hsn915 3mo ago
    I have several projects in the same git repository which also forms a workspace in Go. Many of the projects in that repo are not public.
    - em-bee 3mo ago
      ok, so because of that you manually export changes you want to publish to a new repo? i'd start separating the repos. personally i would be uncomfortable using a repo that the developer does not use for their own development. if you ever want to accept contributions this might become an issue. but that's just my feeling.
      - hsn915 3mo ago
        That's irrelevant though? I'm not asking anyone to contribute or form a community with me as the leader. I'm putting out something in the hopes of it being useful for others.
- opem 3mo ago
  but if you other ppl to read, use or contribute, they will probably need the "work history" more than a "publish history". because nobody is going to read those big ass commits, specially when unsure about it worthiness.
  - hsn915 3mo ago
    Shirei is open source, not open contribution.
rowanseymour 3mo ago
I think a challenge for a vibe coded library to gain adoption is if there is a lack of human time investment in its creation, how do we know there will be investment in its maintenance?
- hsn915 3mo ago
  Most open source projects are abandoned because the author never finds enough time to work on it or can't muster the focus and attention needed. It is not true that there is "lack" of human investment in the creation of this. If anything, I spent the last two weeks glued to the screen most of the time, to a degree I have never experienced before, building out all the different areas that lead to this release. I will not mention the monetary investment because it's not the type that matters here. Attention, which is arguably the most scarce form of investment, was invested in ample amounts.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 3mo ago
    > I spent the last two weeks glued to the screen most of the time, to a degree I have never experienced before, With respect, a single period of manic hyperfocus is not what makes a project, it is being in it for the long-haul and putting in the hours here and there even when it isn't fun any more and you have many other things you might rather be doing.
  - rowanseymour 3mo ago
    To be clear I don't want to detract from what you've made here. Agentic engineering done right does still require a lot time and attention IMO. But you've still got a challenge on your hands to demonstrate to potential adopters that you're in it for the long haul.
bitwize 3mo ago
Source is the new binary. Specs and requirements are where the engineering is happening now. Of course, this was anticipated in 1971 with the creation of the very successful PRIDE methodology, but it's taken a few decades, and a complete devaluation of their profession due to AI, for programmers to catch up.
- pmontra 3mo ago
  This PRIDE? https://cio-wiki.org/wiki/PRIDE_Methodology https://cio-wiki.org/wiki/PRIDE_Methodology
  - homarp 3mo ago
    PRIDE is the registered trademark of M. Bryce & Associates (MBA) https://www.modernanalyst.com/Resources/News/tabid/177/ID/507/MBA-Preps-PRIDE-Methodology-Podcasts.aspx https://www.modernanalyst.com/Resources/News/tabid/177/ID/50... and https://web.archive.org/web/20240422044352/http://www.phmainstreet.com/mba/pride/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240422044352/http://www.phmain... https://patch.com/florida/palmharbor/50-years-pride https://patch.com/florida/palmharbor/50-years-pride has the meaning "an acronym for "PRofitable Information by DEsign - through phased planning and control."
    - bitwize 3mo ago
      This is the PRIDE I meant. It's hard to tell if MBA (more recently, M&JB Investment Company) is still a going concern. Milt Bryce's son Tim was keeping the lights on but he died of cancer at the end of 2023.

hsn915 3mo ago

This is a publish-only mirror repo. The commit history is the publish history, not the work history.

weare138 3mo ago
Where's the actual repo then?
lietuvis 3mo ago
I'm assuming you're the author, why not publish everything?
em-bee 3mo ago
that doesn't make much sense. why go out of your way to publish a selected history instead of the whole work?
- hsn915 3mo ago
  I have several projects in the same git repository which also forms a workspace in Go. Many of the projects in that repo are not public.
  - em-bee 3mo ago
    ok, so because of that you manually export changes you want to publish to a new repo? i'd start separating the repos. personally i would be uncomfortable using a repo that the developer does not use for their own development. if you ever want to accept contributions this might become an issue. but that's just my feeling.
    - hsn915 3mo ago
      That's irrelevant though? I'm not asking anyone to contribute or form a community with me as the leader. I'm putting out something in the hopes of it being useful for others.
opem 3mo ago
but if you other ppl to read, use or contribute, they will probably need the "work history" more than a "publish history". because nobody is going to read those big ass commits, specially when unsure about it worthiness.
- hsn915 3mo ago
  Shirei is open source, not open contribution.

rowanseymour 3mo ago

I think a challenge for a vibe coded library to gain adoption is if there is a lack of human time investment in its creation, how do we know there will be investment in its maintenance?

hsn915 3mo ago
Most open source projects are abandoned because the author never finds enough time to work on it or can't muster the focus and attention needed. It is not true that there is "lack" of human investment in the creation of this. If anything, I spent the last two weeks glued to the screen most of the time, to a degree I have never experienced before, building out all the different areas that lead to this release. I will not mention the monetary investment because it's not the type that matters here. Attention, which is arguably the most scarce form of investment, was invested in ample amounts.
- TazeTSchnitzel 3mo ago
  > I spent the last two weeks glued to the screen most of the time, to a degree I have never experienced before, With respect, a single period of manic hyperfocus is not what makes a project, it is being in it for the long-haul and putting in the hours here and there even when it isn't fun any more and you have many other things you might rather be doing.
- rowanseymour 3mo ago
  To be clear I don't want to detract from what you've made here. Agentic engineering done right does still require a lot time and attention IMO. But you've still got a challenge on your hands to demonstrate to potential adopters that you're in it for the long haul.

bitwize 3mo ago

Source is the new binary. Specs and requirements are where the engineering is happening now. Of course, this was anticipated in 1971 with the creation of the very successful PRIDE methodology, but it's taken a few decades, and a complete devaluation of their profession due to AI, for programmers to catch up.

pmontra 3mo ago
This PRIDE? https://cio-wiki.org/wiki/PRIDE_Methodology https://cio-wiki.org/wiki/PRIDE_Methodology
- homarp 3mo ago
  PRIDE is the registered trademark of M. Bryce & Associates (MBA) https://www.modernanalyst.com/Resources/News/tabid/177/ID/507/MBA-Preps-PRIDE-Methodology-Podcasts.aspx https://www.modernanalyst.com/Resources/News/tabid/177/ID/50... and https://web.archive.org/web/20240422044352/http://www.phmainstreet.com/mba/pride/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240422044352/http://www.phmain... https://patch.com/florida/palmharbor/50-years-pride https://patch.com/florida/palmharbor/50-years-pride has the meaning "an acronym for "PRofitable Information by DEsign - through phased planning and control."
  - bitwize 3mo ago
    This is the PRIDE I meant. It's hard to tell if MBA (more recently, M&JB Investment Company) is still a going concern. Milt Bryce's son Tim was keeping the lights on but he died of cancer at the end of 2023.