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Yt-Dlp Sequence Diagrams

105 points by billyp-rva 3mo ago

itsfarseen-1 3mo ago
How was this created?
- billyp-rva 3mo ago
  Hi, author here. The app itself (Ilograph[0]) is fairly old; its first ShowHN was in 2019. These particular yt-dlp diagrams were an experiment in getting meaningful sequence diagrams from a code repo using Claude. If you open the black tab on the left, you can see the source of the diagrams. Claude was able to generate most of this, albeit with a good amount of back-and-forth to get the details right, plus some manual tweaking in the end. [0] https://www.ilograph.com https://www.ilograph.com
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Kind of despised the way you didn't even let me see a preview of my own created graph without having to signup, and the signup prompt didn't show up until I fixed the mistakes in the YAML. So I pasted something (generated), spent some minutes fixing the mistakes, then get hit with a signup prompt, before being able to see the graph... Just be upfront with the signup requirement, don't let me edit anything, if you're gonna gate it like that.
    - billyp-rva 3mo ago
      Thanks for the heads up; that shouldn't have been happening. Please try again.
meindnoch 3mo ago
Auto-generated sequence diagrams are almost always useless. This one is no different.
- bt1a 3mo ago
  "Auto-generated"? As in... a defined translation from one abstraction layer to another? Disagree
  - perching_aix 3mo ago
    A mechanistically generated diagram, i.e. a program reading in something and then emitting a diagram, following a specific algorithm. > a defined translation from one abstraction layer to another A solution like the aforementioned cannot reliably present a view with a raised level of abstraction, as that necessitates either making unsound assumptions, or being provided with hints (which can be wrong or expire). Just like with code (because they are code). And so if this is indeed just a rote visualization like that, sticking to the same level of abstraction (thereby not encountering this issue), then they stipulate it is "almost certainly useless, just like they usually are". I personally find this agreeable, but then I rarely find diagrams particularly illuminating in general, so...
  - Bjartr 3mo ago
    As in not authored by a human who knows which details are important and which are noise for a given level of abstraction.
- chongli 3mo ago
  Why are people upvoting this? I thought I was missing something.
  - tcp_handshaker 3mo ago
    [flagged]
- nikisweeting 3mo ago
  Strong disagree, I use tools like DeepWiki, Mintlify, Cubic daily to analyze complex codebases. Their diagrams on PRs and generated docs have made it much easier to quickly drop into a complex codebase and understand how it works / make meaningful changes. Especially DeepWiki's diagrams + interactive "Deep Research" / Codemap feature are amazing at building flow diagrams to answer specific questions. I recently did a complete rewrite of our browser driver codebase by deeply analyzing playwright, puppeteer, selenium, and the chromium source code, relying heavily on auto generated diagrams to decide which parts to read myself / dive deeper on. Yes they occasionally leave things out if the underlying codebase hides the complexity or has no docs, but they're great for thoroughly documented mature codebases.
albert_e 3mo ago
is there a "format" of describing an architetcure/design in such a way that it lens itself to such visualization?
felooboolooomba 3mo ago
Arrows need to be thicker. "Bold" doesn't work. Nitpick: "bold" doesn't really make sense in opacity settings.
mike_hock 3mo ago
Hey guys, look at what I didn't make. I paid money to have someone/something else do it.
- 3997531578 3mo ago
  [dead]
Retr0id 3mo ago
> Disclaimer: [...] generated using an LLM and may contain inaccuracies.
- risyachka 3mo ago
  Speaks a lot about the HN audience that upvotes these kinds of articles
  - tcp_handshaker 3mo ago
    Half of that audience are now Agents... :-))
- whateveracct 3mo ago
  F in the chat
TacticalCoder 3mo ago
BTW the year is 2026 and we've got LLMs, is there, at long last, an easy way to have an YouTube downloader I can run in a container (say with Podman) that actually works? Do I need to be logged in with a Google account for it to work? I always, since decades I want to say, ran into troubles whenever I download Youtube vids (no matter which tool I use, yt-dlp or other). It works, then doesn't anymore. Are you simply, reliably, downloading Youtube vids? How? From a VM? From a container? From your main machine while being logged on? P.S: congrats to the guys at Google, you sure made that hard
- amlib 3mo ago
  You always had to keep whatever youtube video downloader you were using updated at a minimum. For a good while login cookies were only required for downloading restricted videos (whatever youtube considered 18+). Now you need half a web browser to do anything and the update cadence is even crazier.
  - TacticalCoder 3mo ago
    > You always had to keep whatever youtube video downloader you were using updated at a minimum. Of course. I always try with the latest versions of yt-dlp. > For a good while login cookies were only required for downloading restricted videos (whatever youtube considered 18+). Now you need half a web browser to do anything and the update cadence is even crazier. Yeah at some point in the past I had it mostly working. But basically now, what should I do? Maybe host a VM with an actual browser (not headless: just the real thing) and log into a Google account and then what, use yt-dlp from the same IP? Basically I don't get it: no clue what needs to be done for YouTube downloads to work reliably (and I'm not talking 18+ stuff: actually I had zero idea there were even vids considered 18+ on YouTube).
    - amlib 3mo ago
      >Yeah at some point in the past I had it mostly working. But basically now, what should I do? Maybe host a VM with an actual browser (not headless: just the real thing) and log into a Google account and then what, use yt-dlp from the same IP? What I've been doing is sshing to my main pc running fedora that has a legit firefox with my google/youtube cookies, have a distrobox with archlinux on it, entering that machine and then running yt-dlp there. Since distrobox has mounts your host /home dir into the guest /home it can easily source cookies from your host pc. The reason for Archlinux is that it seams to do a much better job than Fedora at keeping yt-dlp updated and with the necessary dependencies to successfully download videos. So this synergy between your main machine (where google cant't tell you are "illegitimate") + a guest machine with the "clandestine" software (in google's view lol) all stitched together by distrobox works well.
neves 3mo ago
Yt-dlp os a powerhouse of the free internet. To break free from walled gardens, I've started to use Seal, an open source F-Droid Android app. It's just a shell over yt-dlp. Unfortunately it started to fail to download some videos. Do you have any tips for better use?
- neves 3mo ago
  https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal Link to Seal
- inemesitaffia 3mo ago
  Update the app and yt-dlp.
  - neves 3mo ago
    Just saw that there is an option to update just the lib
    - neves 3mo ago
      now I can download everything again
- anygivnthursday 3mo ago
  you can also install it in termux and keep it up to date, install deno for solving challenges etc
- junkblocker 3mo ago
  YTDLnis has been working much better for months now. Switched over from Seal myself.

105 points by billyp-rva 3mo ago

itsfarseen-1 3mo ago

How was this created?

billyp-rva 3mo ago
Hi, author here. The app itself (Ilograph[0]) is fairly old; its first ShowHN was in 2019. These particular yt-dlp diagrams were an experiment in getting meaningful sequence diagrams from a code repo using Claude. If you open the black tab on the left, you can see the source of the diagrams. Claude was able to generate most of this, albeit with a good amount of back-and-forth to get the details right, plus some manual tweaking in the end. [0] https://www.ilograph.com https://www.ilograph.com
- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  Kind of despised the way you didn't even let me see a preview of my own created graph without having to signup, and the signup prompt didn't show up until I fixed the mistakes in the YAML. So I pasted something (generated), spent some minutes fixing the mistakes, then get hit with a signup prompt, before being able to see the graph... Just be upfront with the signup requirement, don't let me edit anything, if you're gonna gate it like that.
  - billyp-rva 3mo ago
    Thanks for the heads up; that shouldn't have been happening. Please try again.

meindnoch 3mo ago

Auto-generated sequence diagrams are almost always useless. This one is no different.

bt1a 3mo ago
"Auto-generated"? As in... a defined translation from one abstraction layer to another? Disagree
- perching_aix 3mo ago
  A mechanistically generated diagram, i.e. a program reading in something and then emitting a diagram, following a specific algorithm. > a defined translation from one abstraction layer to another A solution like the aforementioned cannot reliably present a view with a raised level of abstraction, as that necessitates either making unsound assumptions, or being provided with hints (which can be wrong or expire). Just like with code (because they are code). And so if this is indeed just a rote visualization like that, sticking to the same level of abstraction (thereby not encountering this issue), then they stipulate it is "almost certainly useless, just like they usually are". I personally find this agreeable, but then I rarely find diagrams particularly illuminating in general, so...
- Bjartr 3mo ago
  As in not authored by a human who knows which details are important and which are noise for a given level of abstraction.
chongli 3mo ago
Why are people upvoting this? I thought I was missing something.
- tcp_handshaker 3mo ago
  [flagged]
nikisweeting 3mo ago
Strong disagree, I use tools like DeepWiki, Mintlify, Cubic daily to analyze complex codebases. Their diagrams on PRs and generated docs have made it much easier to quickly drop into a complex codebase and understand how it works / make meaningful changes. Especially DeepWiki's diagrams + interactive "Deep Research" / Codemap feature are amazing at building flow diagrams to answer specific questions. I recently did a complete rewrite of our browser driver codebase by deeply analyzing playwright, puppeteer, selenium, and the chromium source code, relying heavily on auto generated diagrams to decide which parts to read myself / dive deeper on. Yes they occasionally leave things out if the underlying codebase hides the complexity or has no docs, but they're great for thoroughly documented mature codebases.

albert_e 3mo ago

is there a "format" of describing an architetcure/design in such a way that it lens itself to such visualization?

felooboolooomba 3mo ago

Arrows need to be thicker. "Bold" doesn't work. Nitpick: "bold" doesn't really make sense in opacity settings.

mike_hock 3mo ago

Hey guys, look at what I didn't make. I paid money to have someone/something else do it.

3997531578 3mo ago
[dead]

Retr0id 3mo ago

> Disclaimer: [...] generated using an LLM and may contain inaccuracies.

risyachka 3mo ago
Speaks a lot about the HN audience that upvotes these kinds of articles
- tcp_handshaker 3mo ago
  Half of that audience are now Agents... :-))
whateveracct 3mo ago
F in the chat

TacticalCoder 3mo ago

BTW the year is 2026 and we've got LLMs, is there, at long last, an easy way to have an YouTube downloader I can run in a container (say with Podman) that actually works? Do I need to be logged in with a Google account for it to work? I always, since decades I want to say, ran into troubles whenever I download Youtube vids (no matter which tool I use, yt-dlp or other). It works, then doesn't anymore. Are you simply, reliably, downloading Youtube vids? How? From a VM? From a container? From your main machine while being logged on? P.S: congrats to the guys at Google, you sure made that hard

amlib 3mo ago
You always had to keep whatever youtube video downloader you were using updated at a minimum. For a good while login cookies were only required for downloading restricted videos (whatever youtube considered 18+). Now you need half a web browser to do anything and the update cadence is even crazier.
- TacticalCoder 3mo ago
  > You always had to keep whatever youtube video downloader you were using updated at a minimum. Of course. I always try with the latest versions of yt-dlp. > For a good while login cookies were only required for downloading restricted videos (whatever youtube considered 18+). Now you need half a web browser to do anything and the update cadence is even crazier. Yeah at some point in the past I had it mostly working. But basically now, what should I do? Maybe host a VM with an actual browser (not headless: just the real thing) and log into a Google account and then what, use yt-dlp from the same IP? Basically I don't get it: no clue what needs to be done for YouTube downloads to work reliably (and I'm not talking 18+ stuff: actually I had zero idea there were even vids considered 18+ on YouTube).
  - amlib 3mo ago
    >Yeah at some point in the past I had it mostly working. But basically now, what should I do? Maybe host a VM with an actual browser (not headless: just the real thing) and log into a Google account and then what, use yt-dlp from the same IP? What I've been doing is sshing to my main pc running fedora that has a legit firefox with my google/youtube cookies, have a distrobox with archlinux on it, entering that machine and then running yt-dlp there. Since distrobox has mounts your host /home dir into the guest /home it can easily source cookies from your host pc. The reason for Archlinux is that it seams to do a much better job than Fedora at keeping yt-dlp updated and with the necessary dependencies to successfully download videos. So this synergy between your main machine (where google cant't tell you are "illegitimate") + a guest machine with the "clandestine" software (in google's view lol) all stitched together by distrobox works well.

neves 3mo ago

Yt-dlp os a powerhouse of the free internet. To break free from walled gardens, I've started to use Seal, an open source F-Droid Android app. It's just a shell over yt-dlp. Unfortunately it started to fail to download some videos. Do you have any tips for better use?

neves 3mo ago
https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal Link to Seal
inemesitaffia 3mo ago
Update the app and yt-dlp.
- neves 3mo ago
  Just saw that there is an option to update just the lib
  - neves 3mo ago
    now I can download everything again
anygivnthursday 3mo ago
you can also install it in termux and keep it up to date, install deno for solving challenges etc
junkblocker 3mo ago
YTDLnis has been working much better for months now. Switched over from Seal myself.