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This is my list, thanks for sharing! It started out as a list for ASCII and textmode art editors but grew to include all kinds of alternative design tools. I'v

This is my list, thanks for sharing! It started out as a list for ASCII and textmode art editors but grew to include all kinds of alternative design tools. I've hosted two workshops where the assigment is to create a printed zine without the use of any Adobe software. I give this list to the participants to explore. The scans of these zines and more info can be found here: https://tekstien-marginaalien-keskus.aalto.fi/residenssi/heikki/blog/004-december-1/ https://tekstien-marginaalien-keskus.aalto.fi/residenssi/hei... https://tekstien-marginaalien-keskus.aalto.fi/residenssi/heikki/blog/006-february-2/ https://tekstien-marginaalien-keskus.aalto.fi/residenssi/hei... I think its crazy that my University (Aalto) pays over a million euros in licencing fees to Adobe every year while the design teachers are chronically overworked and understaffed. My ultimate goal is to persuade the institution to ditch Adobe and switch to FOSS tools, and hire more staff & teachers.

dddw 3mo ago
Nice! Great goal and very cool zines!
citizenpaul 3mo ago
One of the.big hurdles is pantone support. At some point most places want their design to hit the real world and pantone has that market cornered. I dont just mean the technical parts pantone has expensive licensing that most FOSS doesnt and wont ever pay. There is more than one toll troll.in that marker.
- bartvk 3mo ago
  I am guessing that pantone is a bunch of colors that are coded a certain way? Isn't there a common mechanism across design software? Like PDF is the platform agnostic way of sharing documents?
  - WillAdams 3mo ago
    It is a licensing mechanism, a list of ink formulas, and (most importantly) an entire eco-system of ink swatches and sample books --- a designer can get a customer to agree to a colour, tear off a pair of ink chips, give one to the customer and one to the printer, and the expectation is that the printed piece will _exactly_ match the chips. There are lots of alternatives --- the Glass Container Manufacturing Institute has a set of swatches which are used for packaging which the industry has agreed on. That said, there isn't much spot colour work left, and most of what there is, is brand-specific, or done for budgetary reasons (long runs w/ just two colours).
- derrasterpunkt 3mo ago
  There is no Pantone Support in Adobe Software since 2022/2023.
  - citizenpaul 3mo ago
    Oh wow really? I didnt know that. Did they launch a competing service or something?
jan_Inkepa 3mo ago
i see pablodraw up top - you know your stuff and have good taste!
codazoda 3mo ago
Nice. I love zines and I’ll enjoy checking out those other links.
wxw 3mo ago
So good, thanks for compiling this list.

dddw 3mo ago

Nice! Great goal and very cool zines!

citizenpaul 3mo ago

One of the.big hurdles is pantone support. At some point most places want their design to hit the real world and pantone has that market cornered. I dont just mean the technical parts pantone has expensive licensing that most FOSS doesnt and wont ever pay. There is more than one toll troll.in that marker.

bartvk 3mo ago
I am guessing that pantone is a bunch of colors that are coded a certain way? Isn't there a common mechanism across design software? Like PDF is the platform agnostic way of sharing documents?
- WillAdams 3mo ago
  It is a licensing mechanism, a list of ink formulas, and (most importantly) an entire eco-system of ink swatches and sample books --- a designer can get a customer to agree to a colour, tear off a pair of ink chips, give one to the customer and one to the printer, and the expectation is that the printed piece will _exactly_ match the chips. There are lots of alternatives --- the Glass Container Manufacturing Institute has a set of swatches which are used for packaging which the industry has agreed on. That said, there isn't much spot colour work left, and most of what there is, is brand-specific, or done for budgetary reasons (long runs w/ just two colours).
derrasterpunkt 3mo ago
There is no Pantone Support in Adobe Software since 2022/2023.
- citizenpaul 3mo ago
  Oh wow really? I didnt know that. Did they launch a competing service or something?

jan_Inkepa 3mo ago

i see pablodraw up top - you know your stuff and have good taste!

codazoda 3mo ago

Nice. I love zines and I’ll enjoy checking out those other links.

wxw 3mo ago

So good, thanks for compiling this list.