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I'm all for informed consent - publish the data - but leave the choice to the individual. The goal of education is self-improvement, not necessarily/only money.

I'm all for informed consent - publish the data - but leave the choice to the individual. The goal of education is self-improvement, not necessarily/only money. The way student debt is (mis)managed is a different issue.

anon291 3mo ago
I agree with you on the goal of education. But whats the goal of government education subsidies?
- theahura 3mo ago
  > whats the goal of government education subsidies a more educated populace is a public and civic good on its own terms. Public funding for education is maybe partially for economic returns, but is mostly because education is a necessary part of a functioning democracy and a necessary part of living a good fulfilling life
  - anon291 3mo ago
    Shifting the goalposts. For most of american history a high school education was considered sufficient to be part of a functioning democracy. If a music education (or whatever) is required to be part of democracy, then everyone should have it.
    - theahura 3mo ago
      Education isn't a binary, so I'm not sure why we should arbitrarily draw the line at highschool as we become richer as a nation
      - anon291 3mo ago
        Because high school is what we fully fund as a nation
  - tbrownaw 3mo ago
    So have community things where people give free lectures at the local library or whatever.
    - theahura 3mo ago
      Yes we should also do this
- stevenalowe 3mo ago
  To help people get the education that they want. Not pick winners/losers.
  - anon291 3mo ago
    They're not picking. They're rewarding.
    - stevenalowe 3mo ago
      rewarding winners somehow is not picking?
BeetleB 3mo ago
> I'm all for informed consent - publish the data - but leave the choice to the individual. The choice is not being taken away - the Federal government is merely telling the universities to find some other way to fund those programs.
- stevenalowe 3mo ago
  the federal government is making value decisions for us. no bueno.

anon291 3mo ago

I agree with you on the goal of education. But whats the goal of government education subsidies?

theahura 3mo ago
> whats the goal of government education subsidies a more educated populace is a public and civic good on its own terms. Public funding for education is maybe partially for economic returns, but is mostly because education is a necessary part of a functioning democracy and a necessary part of living a good fulfilling life
- anon291 3mo ago
  Shifting the goalposts. For most of american history a high school education was considered sufficient to be part of a functioning democracy. If a music education (or whatever) is required to be part of democracy, then everyone should have it.
  - theahura 3mo ago
    Education isn't a binary, so I'm not sure why we should arbitrarily draw the line at highschool as we become richer as a nation
    - anon291 3mo ago
      Because high school is what we fully fund as a nation
- tbrownaw 3mo ago
  So have community things where people give free lectures at the local library or whatever.
  - theahura 3mo ago
    Yes we should also do this
stevenalowe 3mo ago
To help people get the education that they want. Not pick winners/losers.
- anon291 3mo ago
  They're not picking. They're rewarding.
  - stevenalowe 3mo ago
    rewarding winners somehow is not picking?

BeetleB 3mo ago

> I'm all for informed consent - publish the data - but leave the choice to the individual. The choice is not being taken away - the Federal government is merely telling the universities to find some other way to fund those programs.

stevenalowe 3mo ago
the federal government is making value decisions for us. no bueno.