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It's more a case for why the US system of government is a failure.

1over137 3mo ago
Perhaps it’s not the system, perhaps it’s the electorate.
AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
Which system of government is capable of operating at the scale of the US without going sideways? It's not the EU, look at what just happened with Chat Control. Maybe the problem is attempting to regulate at that scale to begin with.
- janalsncm 3mo ago
  Chat control is not relevant to consumer protection, which is what the article is about. Of course, Americans also have much worse privacy rights than Europeans do, Chat Control notwithstanding. GDPR gives Europeans the right to delete their personal data. In the US, data brokers routinely launder highly personal information about Americans and nothing is done. Good luck figuring out how to delete that.
  - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
    > Chat control is not relevant to consumer protection It's relevant to demonstrating a failed government, however. > Of course, Americans also have much worse privacy rights than Europeans do, Chat Control notwithstanding. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? > Europeans the right to delete their personal data. In the US, data brokers routinely launder highly personal information about Americans and nothing is done. Good luck figuring out how to delete that. Good luck figuring out how to delete it from the databases of foreign companies even if you're in Europe. You think companies in China are complying with any of that when you have no way to prove whether they are or not? That's why the only thing that works is ensuring they don't have your data to begin with, i.e. E2EE. Trying to regulate what they do with it once the cat is is out of the bag is too late.
    - BrenBarn 3mo ago
      > Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? I think this is pretty grossly overstating things. Yes, chat control is bad, but there's little doubt in my mind that EU regulations overall have been better for consumers than the situation in the US.
janalsncm 3mo ago
The US government is not a failure. It simply does not care about consumers. Those are two different things.

Perhaps it’s not the system, perhaps it’s the electorate.

Which system of government is capable of operating at the scale of the US without going sideways? It's not the EU, look at what just happened with Chat Control. Maybe the problem is attempting to regulate at that scale to begin with.

janalsncm 3mo ago
Chat control is not relevant to consumer protection, which is what the article is about. Of course, Americans also have much worse privacy rights than Europeans do, Chat Control notwithstanding. GDPR gives Europeans the right to delete their personal data. In the US, data brokers routinely launder highly personal information about Americans and nothing is done. Good luck figuring out how to delete that.
- AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
  > Chat control is not relevant to consumer protection It's relevant to demonstrating a failed government, however. > Of course, Americans also have much worse privacy rights than Europeans do, Chat Control notwithstanding. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? > Europeans the right to delete their personal data. In the US, data brokers routinely launder highly personal information about Americans and nothing is done. Good luck figuring out how to delete that. Good luck figuring out how to delete it from the databases of foreign companies even if you're in Europe. You think companies in China are complying with any of that when you have no way to prove whether they are or not? That's why the only thing that works is ensuring they don't have your data to begin with, i.e. E2EE. Trying to regulate what they do with it once the cat is is out of the bag is too late.
  - BrenBarn 3mo ago
    > Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? I think this is pretty grossly overstating things. Yes, chat control is bad, but there's little doubt in my mind that EU regulations overall have been better for consumers than the situation in the US.

janalsncm 3mo ago

The US government is not a failure. It simply does not care about consumers. Those are two different things.