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Hopefully this will revamp the educational system in such a way that the pejoratively named "trade schools" can confer bachelor's degrees on their graduates as

Hopefully this will revamp the educational system in such a way that the pejoratively named "trade schools" can confer bachelor's degrees on their graduates as well. I don't really see why some no name university can confer a bachelor's in some bullshit field, but the respectable local trade school cannot confer a bachelor's in plumbing. They honestly have more of a right to do so.

delichon 3mo ago
A baccalaureate is an academic degree, which is not what trade employers are looking for. They want certifications and licenses.
- bluefirebrand 3mo ago
  They usually need their employees to have certifications and licenses, by law.
- quadrifoliate 3mo ago
  Licensing and degrees are not mutually exclusive. Plenty of engineers take licensing exams (CS degree holders are a large exception).
tbrownaw 3mo ago
> pejoratively named "trade schools" That's an accurate name, and only seems pejorative if you see learning a trade as lesser than studying academics. > name university can confer a bachelor's in some bullshit field, but the respectable local trade school cannot confer a bachelor's in plumbing This misunderstands what the different kinds of credentials are.
- quadrifoliate 3mo ago
  You're hiding behind semantics. Why should there be a difference in the degree being conferred at all? And if so, why not split off the departments that confer degrees with a low-earning potential and call them "entertainment schools" or something?
  - tbrownaw 3mo ago
    > Why should there be a difference in the degree being conferred at all? You are asking why there "should" be a difference between a CCNA cert and a Computer Science degree. That difference isn't a "should" thing, it's an "is" thing. They are fundamentally different. > why not split off the departments that confer degrees with a low-earning potential Earning potential is unrelated to the distinction between trade certification vs academic degrees.
  - fc417fc802 3mo ago
    Yeah I can't wait for the opportunity for those perjoratively named "community" colleges to be able to award MDs and JDs in whatever fields they teach. Maybe also licenses while we're at it. I'd love to be a licensed physicist with an MD in math. Terms have meanings and they matter, even if you don't choose to bother to understand them.
dyauspitr 3mo ago
What’s pejorative about the term trade school? Also the difference is a bachelors degree is conferred to people that have had a well rounded education, not a 6 month course on a highly specific niche.
- userbinator 3mo ago
  I think "trade school" is only a pejorative for those who are already fully immersed in the echo-chamber of academia.
mistercheph 3mo ago
Most of higher ed in the US are not education, they are trade schools for white collar work.

delichon 3mo ago

A baccalaureate is an academic degree, which is not what trade employers are looking for. They want certifications and licenses.

bluefirebrand 3mo ago
They usually need their employees to have certifications and licenses, by law.
quadrifoliate 3mo ago
Licensing and degrees are not mutually exclusive. Plenty of engineers take licensing exams (CS degree holders are a large exception).

tbrownaw 3mo ago

> pejoratively named "trade schools" That's an accurate name, and only seems pejorative if you see learning a trade as lesser than studying academics. > name university can confer a bachelor's in some bullshit field, but the respectable local trade school cannot confer a bachelor's in plumbing This misunderstands what the different kinds of credentials are.

quadrifoliate 3mo ago
You're hiding behind semantics. Why should there be a difference in the degree being conferred at all? And if so, why not split off the departments that confer degrees with a low-earning potential and call them "entertainment schools" or something?
- tbrownaw 3mo ago
  > Why should there be a difference in the degree being conferred at all? You are asking why there "should" be a difference between a CCNA cert and a Computer Science degree. That difference isn't a "should" thing, it's an "is" thing. They are fundamentally different. > why not split off the departments that confer degrees with a low-earning potential Earning potential is unrelated to the distinction between trade certification vs academic degrees.
- fc417fc802 3mo ago
  Yeah I can't wait for the opportunity for those perjoratively named "community" colleges to be able to award MDs and JDs in whatever fields they teach. Maybe also licenses while we're at it. I'd love to be a licensed physicist with an MD in math. Terms have meanings and they matter, even if you don't choose to bother to understand them.

dyauspitr 3mo ago

What’s pejorative about the term trade school? Also the difference is a bachelors degree is conferred to people that have had a well rounded education, not a 6 month course on a highly specific niche.

userbinator 3mo ago
I think "trade school" is only a pejorative for those who are already fully immersed in the echo-chamber of academia.

mistercheph 3mo ago

Most of higher ed in the US are not education, they are trade schools for white collar work.