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Only the russians are targeting civilians.

by yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago

throwawaytea 3mo ago
The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.
- yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
  You’re not a Konfederacja voter by any chance? I’m so fucking embarrassed to be Polish and hear this populism bullshit from Nawrocki and any other compromised russian shill. You know who killed our people? The fucking russians. Remember when the bad guys came from Berlin? The other bad guys came from Moscow. Don’t forget that. ——— For anyone unsure what this throwaway account is talking about: when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
    Stop. The whole thing is ridiculous from simple historical perspective. Poland was razed down, pillaged, 'visited', 'saved', enriched and whole host of other euphemisms over the course of its hundreds of years of various types of existence by a rather long list of conquerors. << when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is. Sigh, it is not bad faith. If anything, it is bad faith to pretend past did not happen.
    - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
      Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.
      - throwawaytea 3mo ago
        They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.
        yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
        Please assume that the people you are talking to you are not ignorant. In this case, I believe I am substantially more up to date with both Ukrainian and Polish politics than you are. From your comments, it appears your knowledge on the topic is superficial at best.
        iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
        Hmm, lets assume you know more than anyone on this board regarding Ukrainian and Polish politics ( you may well do that ). But this only confers knowledge upon you, but not, for lack of a better term, wisdom and understanding. I do not suggest I am a paragon of the latter ( or the former for that matter ), but I know just enough to know evasion ( 'Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.' ), when I see one.
        throwawaytea 3mo ago
        I'm not assuming you are ignorant. More like wrong, or misinformed, or corrupt, or an enemy of good people, or stupid.
- antii 3mo ago
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- ponector 3mo ago
  Polish estimates are closer to 20k, btw. And Polish forces executed thousands of Ukrainians as well during the same events. Also don't forget russians executed 22k Polish prisoners of war in 1940 and lied about it for decades. Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians who are holding back russians? Russians who are casually invade neighbors once in a while and committing atrocities
  - iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
    Hmm, it is mildly fascinating that it has to be said. Germans in government typically don't celebrate the adherents to the events that Poles were subjected to. Ukrainian government on the other hand uses lets call it something of an ambiguous framing to make it charitable. Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 ( all while effectively enforcing its particular brand of crazy upon the land ). Now, Ukraine is absorbing Russia's onslaught ( and that is something Poles benefit from even if they don't admit it ), but lets be clear. They ( Ukraine ) are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
    - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
      > Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
      - iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
        I have to remember to stop trying to use euphemisms on the world wide web.
  - drysine 3mo ago
    >Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians Germans condemn what they did, the Ukrainians are making Pantheon[0][1] of their war criminals who committed genocide[2]. [0] https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-be-built-at-one-of-orthodox-christianitys-most-sacred-spots/ https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-... [1] https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukraines-eu-accession-at-risk https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
drysine 3mo ago
You are misinformed. Here is one of the top Ukrainian propagandists posting in his personal channel a video from Belgorod (Russia) that shows wounded Russian women screaming and thrashing in agony (the text reads "Happy New Year, bitches") after Ukrainian MLRS strike at the city: https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688 https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688 Here is the Ukraine targeting the same high-rise apartment building in Kazan with multiple drones: https://t.me/readovkanews/91042 https://t.me/readovkanews/91042 Here is the Ukraine blowing a bridge in Russia exactly when a passenger train was passing under it leading to deaths of civilians including children: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-as-russian-train-hits-collapsed-bridge-after-interference https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-as-russ... Here is Ukrainian regime striking a college with multiple drones and killing 21 students: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike#Casualties_and_damage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike#Casualt...
- yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
  You are a russian propagandist. We’ve seen you here before, and we’ve called out your bullshit before. Go to the front Ivan. Put seeds in your pockets. Anyone can look at your comment history and see that you are here to antagonise, and to spread disinformation in service of the russian regime and its leading war criminal. This forum is meant to be for substantive discussion primarily about the intersection of technology and things that people in STEM would be intellectually curious about. This forum is not for spreading lies as you have been doing for so long.
  - drysine 3mo ago
    I see that you don't like my comment. I'm sure you'll find an excuse for Ukrainian nationalists in each case I linked to - that's fine, it fits your beliefs about current Ukrainian regime. But then will you be able to find any case where Ukrainian civilians died that couldn't be excused in exactly the same way? Can you be consistent in your judgement?
    - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago

Only the russians are targeting civilians.

throwawaytea 3mo ago

The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.

yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
You’re not a Konfederacja voter by any chance? I’m so fucking embarrassed to be Polish and hear this populism bullshit from Nawrocki and any other compromised russian shill. You know who killed our people? The fucking russians. Remember when the bad guys came from Berlin? The other bad guys came from Moscow. Don’t forget that. ——— For anyone unsure what this throwaway account is talking about: when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is.
- iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
  Stop. The whole thing is ridiculous from simple historical perspective. Poland was razed down, pillaged, 'visited', 'saved', enriched and whole host of other euphemisms over the course of its hundreds of years of various types of existence by a rather long list of conquerors. << when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is. Sigh, it is not bad faith. If anything, it is bad faith to pretend past did not happen.
  - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
    Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.
    - throwawaytea 3mo ago
      They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.
      - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
        Please assume that the people you are talking to you are not ignorant. In this case, I believe I am substantially more up to date with both Ukrainian and Polish politics than you are. From your comments, it appears your knowledge on the topic is superficial at best.
        iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
        Hmm, lets assume you know more than anyone on this board regarding Ukrainian and Polish politics ( you may well do that ). But this only confers knowledge upon you, but not, for lack of a better term, wisdom and understanding. I do not suggest I am a paragon of the latter ( or the former for that matter ), but I know just enough to know evasion ( 'Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.' ), when I see one.
        throwawaytea 3mo ago
        I'm not assuming you are ignorant. More like wrong, or misinformed, or corrupt, or an enemy of good people, or stupid.
antii 3mo ago
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ponector 3mo ago
Polish estimates are closer to 20k, btw. And Polish forces executed thousands of Ukrainians as well during the same events. Also don't forget russians executed 22k Polish prisoners of war in 1940 and lied about it for decades. Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians who are holding back russians? Russians who are casually invade neighbors once in a while and committing atrocities
- iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
  Hmm, it is mildly fascinating that it has to be said. Germans in government typically don't celebrate the adherents to the events that Poles were subjected to. Ukrainian government on the other hand uses lets call it something of an ambiguous framing to make it charitable. Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 ( all while effectively enforcing its particular brand of crazy upon the land ). Now, Ukraine is absorbing Russia's onslaught ( and that is something Poles benefit from even if they don't admit it ), but lets be clear. They ( Ukraine ) are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
  - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
    > Similarly, Russia was saving Poles from WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
    - iugtmkbdfil834 3mo ago
      I have to remember to stop trying to use euphemisms on the world wide web.
- drysine 3mo ago
  >Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians Germans condemn what they did, the Ukrainians are making Pantheon[0][1] of their war criminals who committed genocide[2]. [0] https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-be-built-at-one-of-orthodox-christianitys-most-sacred-spots/ https://kyivindependent.com/pantheon-of-ukrainian-heroes-to-... [1] https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukraines-eu-accession-at-risk https://tvpworld.com/94337029/polands-divided-right-puts-ukr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

drysine 3mo ago

You are misinformed. Here is one of the top Ukrainian propagandists posting in his personal channel a video from Belgorod (Russia) that shows wounded Russian women screaming and thrashing in agony (the text reads "Happy New Year, bitches") after Ukrainian MLRS strike at the city: https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688 https://t.me/dmytrogordon_official/39688 Here is the Ukraine targeting the same high-rise apartment building in Kazan with multiple drones: https://t.me/readovkanews/91042 https://t.me/readovkanews/91042 Here is the Ukraine blowing a bridge in Russia exactly when a passenger train was passing under it leading to deaths of civilians including children: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-as-russian-train-hits-collapsed-bridge-after-interference https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/deaths-as-russ... Here is Ukrainian regime striking a college with multiple drones and killing 21 students: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike#Casualties_and_damage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strike#Casualt...

yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago
You are a russian propagandist. We’ve seen you here before, and we’ve called out your bullshit before. Go to the front Ivan. Put seeds in your pockets. Anyone can look at your comment history and see that you are here to antagonise, and to spread disinformation in service of the russian regime and its leading war criminal. This forum is meant to be for substantive discussion primarily about the intersection of technology and things that people in STEM would be intellectually curious about. This forum is not for spreading lies as you have been doing for so long.
- drysine 3mo ago
  I see that you don't like my comment. I'm sure you'll find an excuse for Ukrainian nationalists in each case I linked to - that's fine, it fits your beliefs about current Ukrainian regime. But then will you be able to find any case where Ukrainian civilians died that couldn't be excused in exactly the same way? Can you be consistent in your judgement?
  - yakshaving_jgt 3mo ago