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Gas itself is poison. Just take a deep huff at the gas station. EVs are the only way to go. At least the pollution is localized, not down every inner city stree
by hunmernop 3mo ago
Gas itself is poison. Just take a deep huff at the gas station.
EVs are the only way to go.
At least the pollution is localized, not down every inner city street with exhaust and other vapors.
- vorticalbox 3mo agoMaybe you can enlighten me. My question that once you mined the materials for the car + battery, shipped that somewhere to be built, then shipped that to be sold. Then you have the added waste battery once it not longer hold enough charge. Is it actually better for the environment? If we add all this extra pull on the grid we need to generate the power for that too.
- kevstev 3mo agoIs this a real question? ICE cars have a battery too.
- halJordan 3mo agoEvs have a main battery and a car battery so they ice and ev are equivalent in that respect.
- vorticalbox 3mo agoSure Is! I’m largely uninformed on the topic. Asking questions even stupid ones means you get to not be stupid after.
- realusername 3mo agoYeah it's actually better and it's not even close, provided that the cars make more than 50k km. Petrol engines have terrible efficiency and that's also what makes the petrol numbers so bad.
- halJordan 3mo agoIf "it's not even close" at 50k km, then surely the break even is much lower and you could've just said that?
- realusername 3mo agoThat's because 50k km is pretty much nothing for a brand new car and if it breaks before that, it was badly designed to start with.
- Superfud 3mo agoBatteries fortunately do not destroy the raw materials they are made from. So eventually we can stop mining new raw materials once we have built enough batteries. In addition, batteries for cars live a surprising long time - and can be used to stabilize the grid once they diminish in oomf (technical term).
- fragmede 3mo agoThe fact that we're throwing them into the garbage in the form of disposable vapes doesn't give me hope for the future tho.
- WickyNilliams 3mo agoI'd be happy if people threw them in garbage, but I often see them tossed on the street. Sickens me to see
- yoshuaw 3mo agoSodium-ion batteries are now also finally coming to market (CATL Naxtra) [1]. This gives me a lot of hope for the future. [1]: https://www.electrive.com/2026/06/26/catl-targets-up-to-20000-vehicles-with-sodium-ion-batteries/ https://www.electrive.com/2026/06/26/catl-targets-up-to-2000...
- pjc50 3mo agoThis is a very stale set of talking points.
- vorticalbox 3mo agoUninformed maybe, I’ve not looked into it as Evs not high my list of things to read about hence the questions that came to mind.
- wolvoleo 3mo agoLithium batteries can be recycled really well. That's why there's so much effort going into tracking them. So they don't end up in a landfill.
- vorticalbox 3mo agoThat’s good to know. This was one of my thoughts. If the evs end up generating a tonne of material that we can’t do anything with that would be a short term gain.
- wolvoleo 3mo agoYes and the good thing is, the lithium can be mostly recovered and that mean it doesn't have to be mined again for the next car. Lithium mining is a messy polluting process so that's really good.
- valeg 3mo agoIt can be done, e.g.: https://batterycouncil.org/battery-facts-and-applications/how-a-lead-battery-is-recycled/ https://batterycouncil.org/battery-facts-and-applications/ho...
- wolvoleo 3mo agoThat's about lead batteries, totally different game
- jaapz 3mo agoYes, electric cars are better for the environment over their entire lifespan. And yes clean energy will be needed to power them. ICE's are actually shockingly bad at efficiently converting fossil fuel into movement. They mostly produce waste heat and exhaust gasses.